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<blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 2096535" data-attributes="member: 9374"><p>I love seeing people talk about being worried about overpenetration through drywall in a home. The only round that is going to do enough damage to kill or even forcibly STOP an attacker or invader is BY NECESSITY going to have to be able to penetrate through multiple layers of drywall. I mean seriously, folks... I can punch a hole through both sides of a standard wall with my fist. Can I punch a hole in somebody's chest and smash their heart??? Nope.</p><p></p><p>Of course, overpenetration beyond that necessary to inflict mortal wounds is an issue... using an AK with 7.62x39 inside a home is likely inviting trouble, even IF you keep all your rounds right on target. Even a .223 AR will in all likelihood cause more than a few rounds to completely exit the target and enter the wall behind, with the ability of a few of them to still pass through drywall and injure someone on the other side. If it can't penetrate a wall, folks, it ain't gonna kill someone, except as a fluke or a seriously lucky shot through the carotid, windpipe or eye, lol.</p><p></p><p>It's ALL about shot placement and awareness of surroundings in home defense, just as in every other situation where you might be firing a firearm - hunting, target or defense.</p><p></p><p>If an intruder is in my home, am I going to fire at him with a direct line behind him into my son's bedroom with him still inside? Unlikely, or if I do, I'm aiming high, 'cause I don't expect my 7 y/o to be jumping on his bed in the dark at 3 o'clock in the morning. </p><p></p><p>The key is TRAINING and PRACTICE with your weapon. I'm not talking about learning to clear rooms in an FBI HRT manner like you see on TV. I'm talking about being familiar enough with your weapon to use it as second nature, so you have time to think about other things, have confidence in your ability to handle the threat and be calm enough during the situation to maintain situational awareness.</p><p></p><p>Hell, I'd be confident enough to blast a bad guy in the hallway with my shotgun full of 00 OR target loads... <strong>knowing my boy was standing behind him!!!</strong></p><p></p><p>How can I say that????</p><p></p><p>Well, because odds are, I'm gonna be somewhat crouched, and knowing the intruder has my loved one behind him, I'm gonna be aiming upwards. Even hitting him at chest height, not only is little to none of the buckshot gonna penetrate fully through him, it's going to be traveling upwards as well, and even if it were to exit completely, the odds of it having enough residual kinetic energy AND necessary trajectory to hit my son, I don't expect serious injury.</p><p></p><p>Is it ideal? Hell no! But if it were an absolute life-and-death situation for me or my child, I would take the chance, and take it with relative confidence in the outcome. What is the alternative?</p><p></p><p>Exactly...</p><p></p><p>My point is, the whole argument about overpenetration is vastly overblown. Underpenetration is what I'd be a helluva lot more worried about.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tRidiot, post: 2096535, member: 9374"] I love seeing people talk about being worried about overpenetration through drywall in a home. The only round that is going to do enough damage to kill or even forcibly STOP an attacker or invader is BY NECESSITY going to have to be able to penetrate through multiple layers of drywall. I mean seriously, folks... I can punch a hole through both sides of a standard wall with my fist. Can I punch a hole in somebody's chest and smash their heart??? Nope. Of course, overpenetration beyond that necessary to inflict mortal wounds is an issue... using an AK with 7.62x39 inside a home is likely inviting trouble, even IF you keep all your rounds right on target. Even a .223 AR will in all likelihood cause more than a few rounds to completely exit the target and enter the wall behind, with the ability of a few of them to still pass through drywall and injure someone on the other side. If it can't penetrate a wall, folks, it ain't gonna kill someone, except as a fluke or a seriously lucky shot through the carotid, windpipe or eye, lol. It's ALL about shot placement and awareness of surroundings in home defense, just as in every other situation where you might be firing a firearm - hunting, target or defense. If an intruder is in my home, am I going to fire at him with a direct line behind him into my son's bedroom with him still inside? Unlikely, or if I do, I'm aiming high, 'cause I don't expect my 7 y/o to be jumping on his bed in the dark at 3 o'clock in the morning. The key is TRAINING and PRACTICE with your weapon. I'm not talking about learning to clear rooms in an FBI HRT manner like you see on TV. I'm talking about being familiar enough with your weapon to use it as second nature, so you have time to think about other things, have confidence in your ability to handle the threat and be calm enough during the situation to maintain situational awareness. Hell, I'd be confident enough to blast a bad guy in the hallway with my shotgun full of 00 OR target loads... [B]knowing my boy was standing behind him!!![/B] How can I say that???? Well, because odds are, I'm gonna be somewhat crouched, and knowing the intruder has my loved one behind him, I'm gonna be aiming upwards. Even hitting him at chest height, not only is little to none of the buckshot gonna penetrate fully through him, it's going to be traveling upwards as well, and even if it were to exit completely, the odds of it having enough residual kinetic energy AND necessary trajectory to hit my son, I don't expect serious injury. Is it ideal? Hell no! But if it were an absolute life-and-death situation for me or my child, I would take the chance, and take it with relative confidence in the outcome. What is the alternative? Exactly... My point is, the whole argument about overpenetration is vastly overblown. Underpenetration is what I'd be a helluva lot more worried about. [/QUOTE]
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