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<blockquote data-quote="Jcann" data-source="post: 3310720" data-attributes="member: 33119"><p>First off, if someone is concerned about how much money they will spend to shoot further with consistent accuracy, it would be better not to venture into this discipline. Especially if you're taking it serious.</p><p>The chances could be:</p><p>1. Your factory rifle will not be capable of it and needs additional work to produce desired results.</p><p>2. You can't get comfortable on the stock or the stock isn't capable of producing desired results.</p><p>3. Your factory ammo will not produce desired results.</p><p>4. Your scope is holding you back, no parallax, zero stop, poor glass, insufficient magnification, limited elevation travel, .......</p><p>5. You don't have all the necessary peripheral's, ie. reloading equipment, ballistic software, weather station, range finder, chronograph,..</p><p>6. You don't have access to a long range shooting facility or farm land (800 yards and greater).</p><p>7. You don't have enough opportunity/time to spend at the range and reloading room.</p><p>8. And the greatest killjoy, your significant other....once they learn how much you spent.</p><p></p><p>There is nothing wrong with a factory Remington action. I would take it over a Savage or Ruger action if I was building a rifle. Depending on what a smith does to that Remington action you may have been better off money wise buying a custom action. Generally, (one would hope) these don't need additional work by a smith to gain concentricity, lug abatement, etc.</p><p></p><p>FFP scopes are great for holdover/holdoff shooting but may not be your first choice for hunting situations. FFP scope reticles at lower power can be hard to see and one may desire having illumination in the scope to see the reticle. The cross hair of many FFP scopes are very thick at full magnification and can obscure part of the target (especially longer ranged targets). If you dial your holdover, a zero stop is a must in my opinion. Mil vs MOA is a shooters personal preference. Just because most PRS shooters use Mil doesn't mean you should as well. EITHER ONE WORKS.</p><p></p><p>The long range shooting discipling is a combination of many parts working together in unison to produce accurate long range shots. Skimping on just one of those parts can be detrimental to the entire system. Long range in my opinion is not 300 or 500 yards. It's 800 yards and greater. Any factory rifle worth its salt should be able to hit a 10" gong at 500 yards. After all, that's a 2moa target.</p><p></p><p>It all starts with a quality shooting system (rifle). The greatest shooter using the greatest scope and ammo can't hit a target with a POS rifle. Now, mix up those two sentences however you want and the results will be the same. You need quality in every piece and consistency in the ammo and shooter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jcann, post: 3310720, member: 33119"] First off, if someone is concerned about how much money they will spend to shoot further with consistent accuracy, it would be better not to venture into this discipline. Especially if you're taking it serious. The chances could be: 1. Your factory rifle will not be capable of it and needs additional work to produce desired results. 2. You can't get comfortable on the stock or the stock isn't capable of producing desired results. 3. Your factory ammo will not produce desired results. 4. Your scope is holding you back, no parallax, zero stop, poor glass, insufficient magnification, limited elevation travel, ....... 5. You don't have all the necessary peripheral's, ie. reloading equipment, ballistic software, weather station, range finder, chronograph,.. 6. You don't have access to a long range shooting facility or farm land (800 yards and greater). 7. You don't have enough opportunity/time to spend at the range and reloading room. 8. And the greatest killjoy, your significant other....once they learn how much you spent. There is nothing wrong with a factory Remington action. I would take it over a Savage or Ruger action if I was building a rifle. Depending on what a smith does to that Remington action you may have been better off money wise buying a custom action. Generally, (one would hope) these don't need additional work by a smith to gain concentricity, lug abatement, etc. FFP scopes are great for holdover/holdoff shooting but may not be your first choice for hunting situations. FFP scope reticles at lower power can be hard to see and one may desire having illumination in the scope to see the reticle. The cross hair of many FFP scopes are very thick at full magnification and can obscure part of the target (especially longer ranged targets). If you dial your holdover, a zero stop is a must in my opinion. Mil vs MOA is a shooters personal preference. Just because most PRS shooters use Mil doesn't mean you should as well. EITHER ONE WORKS. The long range shooting discipling is a combination of many parts working together in unison to produce accurate long range shots. Skimping on just one of those parts can be detrimental to the entire system. Long range in my opinion is not 300 or 500 yards. It's 800 yards and greater. Any factory rifle worth its salt should be able to hit a 10" gong at 500 yards. After all, that's a 2moa target. It all starts with a quality shooting system (rifle). The greatest shooter using the greatest scope and ammo can't hit a target with a POS rifle. Now, mix up those two sentences however you want and the results will be the same. You need quality in every piece and consistency in the ammo and shooter. [/QUOTE]
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