New Gun laws going into effect Nov. 1

[CorpsVet]

Driving home tonight listening to KRMG they did a short piece on laws that take effect Nov. 1.

I had heard the one concerning leaving a loaded firearm locked in a vehicle on school property, but they also said a veteran would be allowed to possess an unloaded firearm on school property.

Is this true? If so I can't believe I haven't seen a discussion on the subject here at OSA.

 

[Bierhunter]

I haven't really looked into, but I think it's silly to make an exception for veterans. I'm a veteran (12yrs in). Most people I served with knew very little about shooting unless it was part of their main job. Just because someone's a vet doesn't mean they are any better with firearms than a non-vet. It really depends upon what job they had.

Plus, it starts putting even more conditions who can and can't carry when the right to keep and bear shall not be infringed.

 

[R. Johnson]

I haven't really looked into, but I think it's silly to make an exception for veterans. I'm a veteran (12yrs in). Most people I served with knew very little about shooting unless it was part of their main job. Just because someone's a vet doesn't mean they are any better with firearms than a non-vet. It really depends upon what job they had. Plus, it starts putting even more conditions who can and can't carry when the right to keep and bear shall not be infringed.

This is true. I ran the zero range last time I was at Camp Gruber and had to stop and explain to a twenty year E7 that he doesn't adjust his elevation at the rear aperture. God save me if I ever have to fight next to that dude.

 

[henschman]

It's called pandering. Putting stuff about veterans in bills is always good for cheap political points.

 

[CharlieWH2O]

I pulled this out of SDA 2014 Law Book The only reference to veterans is in section C 5 below. Here is a link to the full booklet.

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/SDA_Lawbook_NOV_2014.pdf

TITLE 21 § 1280.1 POSSESSION OF FIREARM ON SCHOOL PROPERTY
A.
B.
It shall be unlawful for any person to have in his or her possession on any public or private school property or while in any school bus or vehicle used by any school for transportation of students or teachers any firearm or weapon designated in Section 1272 of this title, except as provided in subsection C of this section or as otherwise authorized by law.
For purposes of this section:
1. "School property" means any publicly owned property held for purposes of elementary, secondary or vocational technical education, and shall not include property owned by public school districts or where such property is leased or rented to an individual or corporation and used for purposes other than educational;
2. “Private school” means a school that offers a course of instruction for students in one or more grades from prekindergarten through grade twelve and is not operated by a governmental entity; and
3. "Motor vehicle" means any automobile, truck, minivan or sports utility vehicle.
Firearms and weapons are allowed on school property and deemed not in violation of subsection A of this section as follows:
1. A gun or knife designed for hunting or fishing purposes kept in a privately owned vehicle and properly displayed or stored as required by law, provided such vehicle containing said gun or knife is driven onto school property only to transport a student to and from school and such vehicle does not remain unattended on school property;
2. A gun or knife used for the purposes of participating in the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation certified hunter training education course or any other hunting, fishing, safety or firearms training courses, or a recognized firearms sports event, team shooting program or competition, or living history reenactment, provided the course or event is approved by the principal or chief administrator of the school where the course or event is offered, and provided the weapon is properly displayed or stored as required by law pending participation in the course, event, program or competition;
3. Weapons in the possession of any peace officer or other person authorized by law to possess a weapon in the performance of his or her duties and responsibilities;
4. A concealed or unconcealed weapon carried onto private school property or in any school bus or vehicle used by any private school for transportation of students or teachers by a person who is licensed pursuant to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, provided a policy has been adopted by the governing entity of the private school that authorizes the carrying and possession of a weapon on private school property or in any school bus or vehicle used by a private school. Except for acts of gross negligence or willful or wanton misconduct, a governing entity of a private school that adopts a policy which authorizes the possession of a weapon private school property, a school bus or vehicles used the private school shall be immune from liability for any injuries arising from the adoption of the policy. The provision of this subsection shall not apply to claims pursuant to the Workers’ Compensation Code;
C.
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5. A gun, knife, bayonet or other weapon in the possession of a member of a veterans group, the national guard, active military, the Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (ROTC) or Junior ROTC, in order to participate in a ceremony, assembly or educational program approved by the principal or chief administrator of a school or school district where the ceremony, assembly or educational program is being held; provided, however, the gun or other weapon that uses projectiles is not loaded and is inoperable at all times while on school property; and
6. A handgun carried in a motor vehicle pursuant to a valid handgun license authorized by the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act onto property set aside by a public or private elementary or secondary school for the use or parking of any vehicle; provided, however, said handgun shall be stored and hidden from view in a locked motor vehicle when the motor vehicle is left unattended on school property.

 

[Old Fart]

I still don't understand the mentality of the original language. Somehow the kids were safer if the gun was locked up across the street from from the school than in its parking lot.

 

[Rod Snell]

I haven't really looked into, but I think it's silly to make an exception for veterans. I'm a veteran (12yrs in). Most people I served with knew very little about shooting unless it was part of their main job. Just because someone's a vet doesn't mean they are any better with firearms than a non-vet. It really depends upon what job they had.

Plus, it starts putting even more conditions who can and can't carry when the right to keep and bear shall not be infringed.

Take a deep breath; there is no exception for vets to carry pistols at schools. It is the usual press misquoting and then ranting about the misquote.
It merely allows the INOPERABLE CEREMONIAL FIREARMS TO BE USED, like in an Honor Guard for ceremonial or educational purposes.

 

[Buzzdraw]

TITLE 21 § 1280.1 This statute in its new form is going to be the source of confusion methinks until it is digested a bit. It does make sense and should work out okay.

It makes it more complicated for those bringing ceremonial or historical arms to school for specified "show and tell" educational events or similar. The arm must be inoperable during the time it is on school property. Previously inoperable wasn't required by law.

It makes it possible for an individual with a CCW to leave the gun in a locked vehicle on public elementary/secondary school property. Could not do this previously. There is a requirement that the gun be hidden from view AND that the vehicle be locked. This is SIMILAR to what is permitted on college/university campus parking lots but not identical.

 

[John6185]

Why is it that we are told by some politicians not to judge muslims and islam by the acts of a few but when there is an incident with a nut with a gun ""they judge all gun owners? And some people keep voting "them" into office. It is one of life's questions.
I would rather they allowed them to CC vs keeping a gun in their cars awaiting theft.

 

[rawhide]

TITLE 21 § 1280.1 This statute in its new form is going to be the source of confusion methinks until it is digested a bit. It does make sense and should work out okay.

It makes it more complicated for those bringing ceremonial or historical arms to school for specified "show and tell" educational events or similar. The arm must be inoperable during the time it is on school property. Previously inoperable wasn't required by law.

It makes it possible for an individual with a CCW to leave the gun in a locked vehicle on public elementary/secondary school property. Could not do this previously. There is a requirement that the gun be hidden from view AND that the vehicle be locked. This is SIMILAR to what is permitted on college/university campus parking lots but not identical.

How is it different?
And I believe the penalty for violating was reduced from a felony to a misdemeanor.