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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tulsamal" data-source="post: 2105294" data-attributes="member: 571">That's basically my position as well. Hillcrest is one of the big public hospitals in Tulsa. My health insurance says I have to go there. My son's condition says I have to go there. The whole "property rights thing" is based on the idea that you can always go somewhere else. In this sort of situation, you really can't. If you are open to the public and the building isn't a restricted area under state law.... why are you allowed to do what a city is not? I.E., tell someone "in the public" that their rights are no good within the building?Wow.You could go through that paragraph and substitute teachers and students for employees at a hospital. And then conclude that this is why nobody but security guards should be allowed to carry on school grounds. That parents with CCW's shouldn't be allowed to carry. (A position that makes me beat my head on the wall!)Or you could probably apply it to shopping malls. Or just about any place of employment. "This is a place where people come to work. They have no business carrying guns in here. Our security guards take care of everything."IMO.... again IMO... either a place is restricted under state law or it isn't. I firmly believe the whole Post Office thing is totally wrong but... it is the law. I can understand the Courthouse issues and I won't violate it, it's the law. Etc. But other places open to the public shouldn't get to post big signs on the door telling people that "We don't trust you regardless of what the state says." And threaten to "ban you from future use of the facility?" Nobody even addressed that. Considering the conditions, that seems totally illegal. It would be denying my son care from the only pediatric neurologist available. How is that "due process?"As I said in my first post, I really do consider it personally insulting. They don't know me, they don't know my background or my qualifications. But people might be "uncomfortable" if there were private citizens with guns around them. Well, I'm uncomfortable with a whole lot of things in our society. But I don't get to run a public hospital and set rules and regulations that insult the public. That ignore the fact that law abiding and serious citizens of this state have followed every rule and dotted every i and yet we are going to make a public statement that we don't want these sorts of people in our building.I've always said gun rights are civil rights. These sorts of things make it even more obvious to me. We wouldn't stand for a hospital putting up signs that say No Blacks or No Jews or No Gays but somehow these signs against gun people are just perfectly fine because it's "private property!"Gregg</blockquote>

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