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<blockquote data-quote="aestus" data-source="post: 1237982" data-attributes="member: 2989"><p>I am part owner and founder of a coworking facility that houses freelancers and companies who rent office space form us.</p><p></p><p>Obviously, I support the 2nd amendment and have a conceal carry. However, we do not allow conceal carry on our property because of 2 things.</p><p></p><p>1) There is nothing in Oklahoma law that protects us if ANY individual (carry permit or not) is let in the premises willingly with a firearm (including lack of gun buster sign) that is a tenant, member or a coworker and causes harm to others with a firearm. The law indirectly protects us from litigation if the offender with the firearm discharges the firearm as part of criminal activity or "criminal intent" and also would most likely result in any lawsuits against us to not be successful if we have a gun buster sign.</p><p></p><p>However, in the case of harm due to accidental discharge, ect. from a coworker or tenant that we allow on the premises with a firearm, the law does not protect us from getting sued with the offender if another coworker or tenant is harmed in the process. Due to the lack of verbiage, it actually makes us very liable along with the offender because by allowing tenants with firearms on our property is directly making us responsible for the actions of the said tenant or coworker in the case of any harm or damages with the firearm. </p><p></p><p>Even if we forced the coworker or tenant conceal carrying into a contract that states we are not liable for any harm they may cause with the their firearm accidental or otherwise, we would still be liable and would most likely lose any lawsuits against us due to the tenants actions with the firearms.</p><p></p><p>We consulted multiple lawyers regarding our situation and all have agreed that we are not protected. One of our tenants is a very staunch conceal carry holder and initially pushed for allowing concealed carry on our property. When we explained the situation, he studied the laws and came to the same conclusion himself that we would not be except from any lawsuits and we were right (he's a patent law consultant / attorney.) After his own research, he readily agreed to not carry within our premises, as well.</p><p></p><p>2) We run the risk of losing business from current coworkers and tenants and would be coworkers and tenants by allowing concealed carry on the premises.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aestus, post: 1237982, member: 2989"] I am part owner and founder of a coworking facility that houses freelancers and companies who rent office space form us. Obviously, I support the 2nd amendment and have a conceal carry. However, we do not allow conceal carry on our property because of 2 things. 1) There is nothing in Oklahoma law that protects us if ANY individual (carry permit or not) is let in the premises willingly with a firearm (including lack of gun buster sign) that is a tenant, member or a coworker and causes harm to others with a firearm. The law indirectly protects us from litigation if the offender with the firearm discharges the firearm as part of criminal activity or "criminal intent" and also would most likely result in any lawsuits against us to not be successful if we have a gun buster sign. However, in the case of harm due to accidental discharge, ect. from a coworker or tenant that we allow on the premises with a firearm, the law does not protect us from getting sued with the offender if another coworker or tenant is harmed in the process. Due to the lack of verbiage, it actually makes us very liable along with the offender because by allowing tenants with firearms on our property is directly making us responsible for the actions of the said tenant or coworker in the case of any harm or damages with the firearm. Even if we forced the coworker or tenant conceal carrying into a contract that states we are not liable for any harm they may cause with the their firearm accidental or otherwise, we would still be liable and would most likely lose any lawsuits against us due to the tenants actions with the firearms. We consulted multiple lawyers regarding our situation and all have agreed that we are not protected. One of our tenants is a very staunch conceal carry holder and initially pushed for allowing concealed carry on our property. When we explained the situation, he studied the laws and came to the same conclusion himself that we would not be except from any lawsuits and we were right (he's a patent law consultant / attorney.) After his own research, he readily agreed to not carry within our premises, as well. 2) We run the risk of losing business from current coworkers and tenants and would be coworkers and tenants by allowing concealed carry on the premises. [/QUOTE]
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