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<blockquote data-quote="MadDawg" data-source="post: 1104703" data-attributes="member: 11627"><p>Rod-</p><p>you are taking this way too personal. I didnt say you are/were/ a pryck officer. Beleive me, if I was attacking you I'd do so in a most unsubtle way. You are the one making it sound like a unit commander has no choice but to throw the book at someone.</p><p></p><p>I knew what my 'punishment' was going to be before I walked into the CP tent. My Army had NCOs that acted as the unofficial channel for smoothing the personnel operations. It was a VERY rare AR15 that maxed out the punishment and that was for men on the way out.</p><p></p><p>From my POV, an AR15 was used when the offense didnt warrant a Courts Martial. many Ar15s were routinely done before any Courts Martial was convened.</p><p></p><p>I served in a line unit. AR15s were given for failure to get a haircut, late for morning formation, improper uniform (non reg boots), carrying an M16 into the latrine (suicides were often done that way), things like that.</p><p></p><p>Now I have met very few Officers who were happy to overlook being lied to by a subordinate. I suppose a few units would routinely overlook, false AARs. None I served in. </p><p></p><p>Would you help your enlisted subordinates falsify reports or accept a false report?</p><p></p><p>Now back to the original point I spoke to... </p><p></p><p>I dont see where Obama's administration has a gosh darn thing to do with this. So for someone to swag its how this current administration is going to shaft a grunt for capturing Bin Laden....</p><p></p><p>Just internet BS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MadDawg, post: 1104703, member: 11627"] Rod- you are taking this way too personal. I didnt say you are/were/ a pryck officer. Beleive me, if I was attacking you I'd do so in a most unsubtle way. You are the one making it sound like a unit commander has no choice but to throw the book at someone. I knew what my 'punishment' was going to be before I walked into the CP tent. My Army had NCOs that acted as the unofficial channel for smoothing the personnel operations. It was a VERY rare AR15 that maxed out the punishment and that was for men on the way out. From my POV, an AR15 was used when the offense didnt warrant a Courts Martial. many Ar15s were routinely done before any Courts Martial was convened. I served in a line unit. AR15s were given for failure to get a haircut, late for morning formation, improper uniform (non reg boots), carrying an M16 into the latrine (suicides were often done that way), things like that. Now I have met very few Officers who were happy to overlook being lied to by a subordinate. I suppose a few units would routinely overlook, false AARs. None I served in. Would you help your enlisted subordinates falsify reports or accept a false report? Now back to the original point I spoke to... I dont see where Obama's administration has a gosh darn thing to do with this. So for someone to swag its how this current administration is going to shaft a grunt for capturing Bin Laden.... Just internet BS. [/QUOTE]
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