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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gunbuffer" data-source="post: 3860783" data-attributes="member: 42291">Then what’s the non clone original?A norinco is based off 1911 specifications which is ultimately what JM Browning  laid out when he designed it originally. Things like frame hole placement, pin diameters, and geometry. Guns that follow this are simply 1911s. Call them clones, but what are they clones of? Are colt 1911a1’s the only non clone 1911? I think it might just be a semantic thing we have gotten into. I think this way from a fixing and and building viewpoint.  If something  doesn’t work on a 1911 it’s because some aspect of their standard specification is not correct, and so I can measure things, and diagnose and fix, because it’s a 1911, and build like one. Llamas do some weird stuff with their frames if I recall.</blockquote>