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<blockquote data-quote="Pokem807" data-source="post: 3196158" data-attributes="member: 7378"><p>Is this an answer to a question, or just a random non sequitur? [USER=4715]@Buzzgun[/USER] wanted to see proof of Liptak's assertion that both houses of Congress were on the verge of passing gun control legislation when the NRA released their bump stock statement. That assertion is a key point of Liptak's defense of the NRA's stance regarding bump stocks following Vegas and Parkland, and I agree that there is absolutely no proof of that. "The other organizations" you refer to were not referenced by Buzzgun, but they definitely didn't go out of their way to ask for the .gov to further regulate a piece of plastic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now you're taking two unrelated responses from different posts and twisting them in order to point out an inconsistency that doesn't exist. Aside from that, nobody is arguing that the NRA is the biggest dog in the fight; but I'd prefer it if they stuck to biting the opposition. The problem is that the NRA will occasionally and for no conceivable reason give the left ammo to use against us. If one of the smaller organizations did that it would hurt, but not as badly since they don't have the power of the NRA.</p><p></p><p>Also, like I said earlier in the thread, the NRA can't have it both ways. If they had enough power to prevent any new legislation or regulation after Sandy Hook, when Dems controlled the Senate and WH, then they definitely had enough to do the same after Vegas and Parkland when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress and the WH. Except that somehow they didn't. To be fair, I don't question the motives of the NRA, except to the extent that whatever they do is with an eye towards fundraising (they're much like politicians in that respect); I think they merely made a miscalculation of epic proportions. After seeing the ATF under Obama rule consistently that bump stocks were legal, I think they assumed that the same would happen under Trump. They guessed wrong, but I don't think they really cared either way. Had everything returned to the status quo ante, they could take credit and raise money off of their success. If ATF imposed new regulation, like they subsequently did, the NRA could howl about the evils of unchecked regulation and raise money off of their failure.</p><p></p><p>We need the NRA in the fight. What we don't need is for them to play strategic games that backfire like this one did. They need to draw a line and then crush anyone on either side of the aisle who tries to venture past it. If they can't, at the very least they can minimize the friendly fire.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pokem807, post: 3196158, member: 7378"] Is this an answer to a question, or just a random non sequitur? [USER=4715]@Buzzgun[/USER] wanted to see proof of Liptak's assertion that both houses of Congress were on the verge of passing gun control legislation when the NRA released their bump stock statement. That assertion is a key point of Liptak's defense of the NRA's stance regarding bump stocks following Vegas and Parkland, and I agree that there is absolutely no proof of that. "The other organizations" you refer to were not referenced by Buzzgun, but they definitely didn't go out of their way to ask for the .gov to further regulate a piece of plastic. Now you're taking two unrelated responses from different posts and twisting them in order to point out an inconsistency that doesn't exist. Aside from that, nobody is arguing that the NRA is the biggest dog in the fight; but I'd prefer it if they stuck to biting the opposition. The problem is that the NRA will occasionally and for no conceivable reason give the left ammo to use against us. If one of the smaller organizations did that it would hurt, but not as badly since they don't have the power of the NRA. Also, like I said earlier in the thread, the NRA can't have it both ways. If they had enough power to prevent any new legislation or regulation after Sandy Hook, when Dems controlled the Senate and WH, then they definitely had enough to do the same after Vegas and Parkland when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress and the WH. Except that somehow they didn't. To be fair, I don't question the motives of the NRA, except to the extent that whatever they do is with an eye towards fundraising (they're much like politicians in that respect); I think they merely made a miscalculation of epic proportions. After seeing the ATF under Obama rule consistently that bump stocks were legal, I think they assumed that the same would happen under Trump. They guessed wrong, but I don't think they really cared either way. Had everything returned to the status quo ante, they could take credit and raise money off of their success. If ATF imposed new regulation, like they subsequently did, the NRA could howl about the evils of unchecked regulation and raise money off of their failure. We need the NRA in the fight. What we don't need is for them to play strategic games that backfire like this one did. They need to draw a line and then crush anyone on either side of the aisle who tries to venture past it. If they can't, at the very least they can minimize the friendly fire. [/QUOTE]
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