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<blockquote data-quote="TwoForFlinching" data-source="post: 3393308" data-attributes="member: 24500"><p>Our manufacturing went where it went long before Bush and Obama. When the golden age of America was no longer good enough in the 60's, unions pushed for a bigger piece of the pie. Nothing wrong with it, I imagine everyones goal in life is to make as much money as possible, as is mine. Unions fought for higher wages and were given higher wages. To maintain margins, cost of goods went up... which lead to another union kerfuffle. It's the never ending process that landed us right where we are now. Manufacturing isn't solely responsible for it, transportation and the other represented trades all have a hand in it. But manufacturing went to Mexico and Canada where it could be done even cheaper boosting margins again. Then China was welcomed to the world stage and their incredible manufacturing power was released. If anything, China is responsible for the high standard of living for the entire middle class. If not for China, we would be a very different and most likely poorer country.</p><p></p><p>Fun fact, walmart maintains one of the largest inventories of made in usa goods than any other company in America. Sure, that in itself is manufactured being the largest retailer in the world, but it's fact. Shop their website sometime, but as you probably suspect, made in usa goods are normally more expensive than imported goods.</p><p></p><p>Side bar, the EZ-DUZ-IT can opener is American made, super cheap, and probably the highest quality can opener in the world. $8.75 at walmart.</p><p></p><p>Trump is doing what he can, bribing companies to stay, but his tariffs are backfiring. Steel will only become affordable again when inflation adjusts higher at the expense of cutting wages to the American worker, but it's pure posturing. Even his own line of goods is made in a third world country. Full disclosure, there's a personal bias to this one as it affects my side work flow and margins. </p><p></p><p>Back to being objective. </p><p></p><p>Of the stuff still made in America, money flows offshore to the companies that retain ownership. That Toyota may be made in Georgia, but your dollars flow to Japan. Kia/Hyundai to Korea. Jeep, Chrysler, Dodge, Ram to Italy. Honda, BMW, Mercedes, etc... Some money stays here, but profits leave. The only American consumer vehicles remain (as majority owned in US) GM, Ford, and Tesla... all of which have the highest across the board prices.</p><p></p><p>Same story even in the firearm industry. Very few American companies that retain American money stateside... and a majority of enthusiasts pop for the cheaper comparable brands. Even brands that are historically thought of as American are offshore and foreign owned. All the same, of the purely American companies, many manufacture offshore and skate their Made in USA label by fitting final assembly in the US.</p><p></p><p>It'd be ideal to be a manufacturing juggernaut once again, but the market won't sustain it, and it's a trade that somehow became 'below' the average American years ago. Feel free to fact check, tell me I'm wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TwoForFlinching, post: 3393308, member: 24500"] Our manufacturing went where it went long before Bush and Obama. When the golden age of America was no longer good enough in the 60's, unions pushed for a bigger piece of the pie. Nothing wrong with it, I imagine everyones goal in life is to make as much money as possible, as is mine. Unions fought for higher wages and were given higher wages. To maintain margins, cost of goods went up... which lead to another union kerfuffle. It's the never ending process that landed us right where we are now. Manufacturing isn't solely responsible for it, transportation and the other represented trades all have a hand in it. But manufacturing went to Mexico and Canada where it could be done even cheaper boosting margins again. Then China was welcomed to the world stage and their incredible manufacturing power was released. If anything, China is responsible for the high standard of living for the entire middle class. If not for China, we would be a very different and most likely poorer country. Fun fact, walmart maintains one of the largest inventories of made in usa goods than any other company in America. Sure, that in itself is manufactured being the largest retailer in the world, but it's fact. Shop their website sometime, but as you probably suspect, made in usa goods are normally more expensive than imported goods. Side bar, the EZ-DUZ-IT can opener is American made, super cheap, and probably the highest quality can opener in the world. $8.75 at walmart. Trump is doing what he can, bribing companies to stay, but his tariffs are backfiring. Steel will only become affordable again when inflation adjusts higher at the expense of cutting wages to the American worker, but it's pure posturing. Even his own line of goods is made in a third world country. Full disclosure, there's a personal bias to this one as it affects my side work flow and margins. Back to being objective. Of the stuff still made in America, money flows offshore to the companies that retain ownership. That Toyota may be made in Georgia, but your dollars flow to Japan. Kia/Hyundai to Korea. Jeep, Chrysler, Dodge, Ram to Italy. Honda, BMW, Mercedes, etc... Some money stays here, but profits leave. The only American consumer vehicles remain (as majority owned in US) GM, Ford, and Tesla... all of which have the highest across the board prices. Same story even in the firearm industry. Very few American companies that retain American money stateside... and a majority of enthusiasts pop for the cheaper comparable brands. Even brands that are historically thought of as American are offshore and foreign owned. All the same, of the purely American companies, many manufacture offshore and skate their Made in USA label by fitting final assembly in the US. It'd be ideal to be a manufacturing juggernaut once again, but the market won't sustain it, and it's a trade that somehow became 'below' the average American years ago. Feel free to fact check, tell me I'm wrong. [/QUOTE]
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