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<blockquote data-quote="okietool" data-source="post: 2720638" data-attributes="member: 6030"><p>I'm going to disagree with the injection well vs frac.</p><p>IMO an injection well can also be a water flood project. To me a disposal well is a disposal well, an injection well can cover a variety of wells, including, but not limited to disposal wells. </p><p></p><p>It's in my mind we may be at a "Perfect Storm" point. Meaning, we have extracted hydrocarbons form the ground and not replaced the bulk of them for over 100 years. I have been exposed to some very good geologists and I think I have a better than average grasp of fault blocks, vertical fractures, etc. This makes me think there are valid lines of thought on waste water (this isn't just frac waste by the way, there are lots of different wastes being pumped down disposal wells) disposal. There is probably also a lowering of the aquifer, due to increase in population, increased use in industry (oil patch included) & farming and extraction of hydrocarbons without replacing their support for the over burden.</p><p></p><p>What's gotten us to this point may be the old "we don't know what we don't know".</p><p>Look at asbestos, we didn't know what we didn't know.</p><p>Tobacco, we didn't know what we didn't know.</p><p>Lead in paint, we didn't know what we didn't know.</p><p>There are hundreds of examples.</p><p></p><p>It would be interesting to see a map including the known or believed fault blocks and locations of believed vertical fractures, versus the locations of disposal wells.</p><p></p><p>The question of liability: who actually owns the well? Are OCC guidelines being followed? Exactly who has legally disposed of what and how much have they disposed of? Has the OCC stopped operations?</p><p></p><p>To me suing the oil companies or anyone else using the disposal wells as per OCC guidelines, falls in the same realm as suing gun manufacturers when a firearm is used in a crime.</p><p></p><p>I will freely stipulate most of the waste is oil company frac flow back, but, if the disposal is approved for that use, how does that make oil companies liable?</p><p></p><p>Use and disposal of water is of major concern to exploration companies, in the past you weren't allowed to reuse it, you weren't allowed to drill or frac with produced water, those thing have both changed. There is interesting work being done with natural gas fracing, but, like wind energy or electric cars, the technology isn't quite there yet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="okietool, post: 2720638, member: 6030"] I'm going to disagree with the injection well vs frac. IMO an injection well can also be a water flood project. To me a disposal well is a disposal well, an injection well can cover a variety of wells, including, but not limited to disposal wells. It's in my mind we may be at a "Perfect Storm" point. Meaning, we have extracted hydrocarbons form the ground and not replaced the bulk of them for over 100 years. I have been exposed to some very good geologists and I think I have a better than average grasp of fault blocks, vertical fractures, etc. This makes me think there are valid lines of thought on waste water (this isn't just frac waste by the way, there are lots of different wastes being pumped down disposal wells) disposal. There is probably also a lowering of the aquifer, due to increase in population, increased use in industry (oil patch included) & farming and extraction of hydrocarbons without replacing their support for the over burden. What's gotten us to this point may be the old "we don't know what we don't know". Look at asbestos, we didn't know what we didn't know. Tobacco, we didn't know what we didn't know. Lead in paint, we didn't know what we didn't know. There are hundreds of examples. It would be interesting to see a map including the known or believed fault blocks and locations of believed vertical fractures, versus the locations of disposal wells. The question of liability: who actually owns the well? Are OCC guidelines being followed? Exactly who has legally disposed of what and how much have they disposed of? Has the OCC stopped operations? To me suing the oil companies or anyone else using the disposal wells as per OCC guidelines, falls in the same realm as suing gun manufacturers when a firearm is used in a crime. I will freely stipulate most of the waste is oil company frac flow back, but, if the disposal is approved for that use, how does that make oil companies liable? Use and disposal of water is of major concern to exploration companies, in the past you weren't allowed to reuse it, you weren't allowed to drill or frac with produced water, those thing have both changed. There is interesting work being done with natural gas fracing, but, like wind energy or electric cars, the technology isn't quite there yet. [/QUOTE]
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