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<blockquote data-quote="okietool" data-source="post: 2721536" data-attributes="member: 6030"><p>Since you summarily reject any offered remedy out of hand, Financial anyway, it leaves me to assume all you will be satisfied with is a blanket acceptance from everyone that involved in the oil industry that we are all guilty. Does it include the kid at O'Reilly's who sell you Pennzoil?</p><p>I think the OP (you) originally had a fire in your belly over a meeting between David Bore and "oil executives", naming Harold Hamm ( a man with plenty of adverse publicity mainly about his failed marriage) ( is there a complete list of the executives? are they all Sandridge?) and then Jack Stark of Continental. </p><p>Then Holland wrote a paper pointing at lake levels then later "Holland replied that he was "quite skeptical myself" of such a link". Who intimidated him in to saying he was skeptical about his own published article? If he was intimidated by Hamm, Stark, The OCC and Boren is that on them or him?</p><p></p><p>"Under the OGS seal, it said "activities such as wastewater disposal" may be a "contributing factor to the increase in earthquakes.""</p><p></p><p>If in a CEO position, I might want to talk to the guy too, it's hard to ask and article or a publication a direct question.</p><p></p><p>Did Hamm and Stark's position in the industry get them privilege, surely. I never saw anything where Holland claimed he was intimidated, if he's the expert he shouldn't be. But you can't account for personalities and human nature. In defense of Holland, any time some one calls you and questions your about your findings it could be intimidating, especially by someone who has access to geologists and geophysicists, who may or may not agree with your findings. On the flip side, how many "Joe the Plumbers" would get in to see Holland?</p><p>If the OGS and USGS work anything like the BLM you have to make an appointment which may or may not be accepted.</p><p></p><p>As a side question, (I don't doubt there are earthquakes), is there any data on the change in elevation or orientation compared to surrounding fault blocks?</p><p></p><p>As far as winning you over, you're pretty invested in your opinion, I'm not expecting for you to show the Oil Patch much love.</p><p></p><p>As far as the science, the best I've seen is we think it may be doing it, and honestly that may be all we ever see from credible sources. </p><p></p><p>I can't speak for Hamm or Stark, but a well head tax wouldn't cost the Oil Companies, who, if they did follow all applicable rules and regulations, I don't think they deserve to be fined. We (everyone) did not know what we did not know. If there was willful negligence, yes fine them, sue them. I'll vote for it.</p><p></p><p>And BP violated their APD and COA so yes they were liable and deserved to be fined.</p><p></p><p>I can tell you from personal experience, you will get a fine from one BLM inspector on something a different inspectors says isn't in violation. My company pays the fine and just makes changes to every operation to reflect the problem.</p><p></p><p>This may actually accelerate the use of natural gas fracing, No disposal, your flow back would run through a separator and then to sales.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="okietool, post: 2721536, member: 6030"] Since you summarily reject any offered remedy out of hand, Financial anyway, it leaves me to assume all you will be satisfied with is a blanket acceptance from everyone that involved in the oil industry that we are all guilty. Does it include the kid at O'Reilly's who sell you Pennzoil? I think the OP (you) originally had a fire in your belly over a meeting between David Bore and "oil executives", naming Harold Hamm ( a man with plenty of adverse publicity mainly about his failed marriage) ( is there a complete list of the executives? are they all Sandridge?) and then Jack Stark of Continental. Then Holland wrote a paper pointing at lake levels then later "Holland replied that he was "quite skeptical myself" of such a link". Who intimidated him in to saying he was skeptical about his own published article? If he was intimidated by Hamm, Stark, The OCC and Boren is that on them or him? "Under the OGS seal, it said "activities such as wastewater disposal" may be a "contributing factor to the increase in earthquakes."" If in a CEO position, I might want to talk to the guy too, it's hard to ask and article or a publication a direct question. Did Hamm and Stark's position in the industry get them privilege, surely. I never saw anything where Holland claimed he was intimidated, if he's the expert he shouldn't be. But you can't account for personalities and human nature. In defense of Holland, any time some one calls you and questions your about your findings it could be intimidating, especially by someone who has access to geologists and geophysicists, who may or may not agree with your findings. On the flip side, how many "Joe the Plumbers" would get in to see Holland? If the OGS and USGS work anything like the BLM you have to make an appointment which may or may not be accepted. As a side question, (I don't doubt there are earthquakes), is there any data on the change in elevation or orientation compared to surrounding fault blocks? As far as winning you over, you're pretty invested in your opinion, I'm not expecting for you to show the Oil Patch much love. As far as the science, the best I've seen is we think it may be doing it, and honestly that may be all we ever see from credible sources. I can't speak for Hamm or Stark, but a well head tax wouldn't cost the Oil Companies, who, if they did follow all applicable rules and regulations, I don't think they deserve to be fined. We (everyone) did not know what we did not know. If there was willful negligence, yes fine them, sue them. I'll vote for it. And BP violated their APD and COA so yes they were liable and deserved to be fined. I can tell you from personal experience, you will get a fine from one BLM inspector on something a different inspectors says isn't in violation. My company pays the fine and just makes changes to every operation to reflect the problem. This may actually accelerate the use of natural gas fracing, No disposal, your flow back would run through a separator and then to sales. [/QUOTE]
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