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One of my bosses just asked me to procure 200 "No Guns Allowed" signs for our stores.
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<blockquote data-quote="Werewolf" data-source="post: 1503571" data-attributes="member: 239"><p>You make a good point one which made me think a bit.</p><p></p><p>My rebuttal to your example is that those doing what you describe to exercise their 1st Amendment rights in a business would be doing so in an active manner i.e. carrying signs, making speeches etc. That would in most likelihood be a noisey, disruptive action that would limit the business owners ability to make sales. Carrying a concealed weapon into a business is by comparison a passive action. No one but the person carrying would know. There would be no disruption of normal business activities and the owner would carry on as usual. Sales would continue as if the person exercising their 2ndA rights wasn't even there. </p><p></p><p>One action limits the owners ability to use his property as he sees fit while the other does not. One causes harm the other does not.</p><p></p><p>That said the question then becomes is harm, no harm relevant? Where is the line drawn.</p><p></p><p>I find my self still conflicted. As a practical matter I don't see that a business owners private property rights should trump one's right to self defense sense by definition business owners actively invite the public on to their property.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand from a purely theoretical and philosophical point of view ones private property should be sacrosanct and if one wants to enter it you follow the owners rules.</p><p></p><p>Conundrum - just can't seem to decide or draw a reasonable line.</p><p></p><p></p><p>EDIT: Are we talking concealed carry on to private property or OC? Makes a difference it would seem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Werewolf, post: 1503571, member: 239"] You make a good point one which made me think a bit. My rebuttal to your example is that those doing what you describe to exercise their 1st Amendment rights in a business would be doing so in an active manner i.e. carrying signs, making speeches etc. That would in most likelihood be a noisey, disruptive action that would limit the business owners ability to make sales. Carrying a concealed weapon into a business is by comparison a passive action. No one but the person carrying would know. There would be no disruption of normal business activities and the owner would carry on as usual. Sales would continue as if the person exercising their 2ndA rights wasn't even there. One action limits the owners ability to use his property as he sees fit while the other does not. One causes harm the other does not. That said the question then becomes is harm, no harm relevant? Where is the line drawn. I find my self still conflicted. As a practical matter I don't see that a business owners private property rights should trump one's right to self defense sense by definition business owners actively invite the public on to their property. On the other hand from a purely theoretical and philosophical point of view ones private property should be sacrosanct and if one wants to enter it you follow the owners rules. Conundrum - just can't seem to decide or draw a reasonable line. EDIT: Are we talking concealed carry on to private property or OC? Makes a difference it would seem. [/QUOTE]
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