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<blockquote data-quote="David2012" data-source="post: 1792791" data-attributes="member: 24428"><p>In my original scenario, under the new Open Carry law.... the physical act of simply going from a concealed carry status to open carry status would certainly be 'legal'...but it is the publics perception of your switching over to open carry at a time when the bad guy was not yet showing a weapon that was the concern. Given the anti-open carry feelings of many DA's, LEO's and members of the public... we will have to use a lot of judgment in our actions.. even if those actions are legal at the time. We don't want to be in a county where some LEO's and Assist DA's want to 'send a message' to the open carry community. Just look at how heated the conversation became in this gun forum in only a few hours... imagine just how heated the debate might be in the media if you were to be arrested / charged for the real deal.</p><p></p><p>Back before concealed carry, I once had a big tough guy get right in my face.. threatening to kick my butt. I tried to back away, and he advanced. I was carrying a police size can of pepper spray concealed on my belt-- which I could have legally carried in the open. I exposed it so he could see it and this little Pud started screaming like a felt-up woman... throwing his hands in the air and yelling 'Don't hurt me, Don't hurt me... I'm not doing anything' ... putting on a real show for on-lookers. This made me look like the bad guy. Police soon arrived and after some discussion we were sent on our way. Add a gun to that kind of situation and I easily could have gone to jail. So just because it is legal and you have a right to stand your ground.. judgment & common sense should still rule your actions.</p><p></p><p>--------------</p><p></p><p>As for those who dislike the threat level 2 holsters..Many police use threat level 3 holsters every day.. and they are much more likely to be in a use of force situation than any of us. With practice and repetition.. you get use to these holsters. If you maintain your equipment and check it regularly.. latch failures or jams are highly unlikely. If failure of these holsters was a officer safety problem... the police unions would surely have demanded a end to them. The fact is that in a wrestling match with a bad guy... where the level of danger to use deadly force has not yet been reached.. these threat level 2 & 3 holsters can save the lives of the weapon's owner. I have a Blackhawk Serpa 2 holster and a Bianchi 82 Carrylok level 2 holster that I will probably use with my Glock 19 or 23 if open carrying OWB. And a simple level 1 Desantis 105 for IWB.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="David2012, post: 1792791, member: 24428"] In my original scenario, under the new Open Carry law.... the physical act of simply going from a concealed carry status to open carry status would certainly be 'legal'...but it is the publics perception of your switching over to open carry at a time when the bad guy was not yet showing a weapon that was the concern. Given the anti-open carry feelings of many DA's, LEO's and members of the public... we will have to use a lot of judgment in our actions.. even if those actions are legal at the time. We don't want to be in a county where some LEO's and Assist DA's want to 'send a message' to the open carry community. Just look at how heated the conversation became in this gun forum in only a few hours... imagine just how heated the debate might be in the media if you were to be arrested / charged for the real deal. Back before concealed carry, I once had a big tough guy get right in my face.. threatening to kick my butt. I tried to back away, and he advanced. I was carrying a police size can of pepper spray concealed on my belt-- which I could have legally carried in the open. I exposed it so he could see it and this little Pud started screaming like a felt-up woman... throwing his hands in the air and yelling 'Don't hurt me, Don't hurt me... I'm not doing anything' ... putting on a real show for on-lookers. This made me look like the bad guy. Police soon arrived and after some discussion we were sent on our way. Add a gun to that kind of situation and I easily could have gone to jail. So just because it is legal and you have a right to stand your ground.. judgment & common sense should still rule your actions. -------------- As for those who dislike the threat level 2 holsters..Many police use threat level 3 holsters every day.. and they are much more likely to be in a use of force situation than any of us. With practice and repetition.. you get use to these holsters. If you maintain your equipment and check it regularly.. latch failures or jams are highly unlikely. If failure of these holsters was a officer safety problem... the police unions would surely have demanded a end to them. The fact is that in a wrestling match with a bad guy... where the level of danger to use deadly force has not yet been reached.. these threat level 2 & 3 holsters can save the lives of the weapon's owner. I have a Blackhawk Serpa 2 holster and a Bianchi 82 Carrylok level 2 holster that I will probably use with my Glock 19 or 23 if open carrying OWB. And a simple level 1 Desantis 105 for IWB. [/QUOTE]
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