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<blockquote data-quote="BrandonMF" data-source="post: 1794599" data-attributes="member: 13086">I got your point, TRDoc. Is it acceptable to deescalate a situation with a threat. No. Simple as that, IMO. If you have time to verbally threaten someone with the use of your sidearm, you are not yet to the point you should be going to your gun. If you ever get into a shouting match with some guy at a gas pump over who gets to use that pump or some stupid white trash BS that those kind of people choose to inflict on more decent folk, and you flash your gun or show it and say &quot;I&#039;ve got a gun!&quot; to get him to stop screaming at you, you&#039;re in the wrong. If he comes at you in an aggressive manner or grabs a tire iron, say, and you draw and shoot because you were in reasonable fear for your life then you are in the right.How long does it take to say, &quot;STOP! I have a gun!&quot; Okay. Now, how long does it take a pissed off obese man to cross 21 feet? The math is not in your favor for a threat. It&#039;s foolish. I get your point. Add in a split second to your shouting time, &#039;cause he&#039;s already decided to act, so he&#039;s way farther ahead in his OODA loop than you are, hoping that a mere threat will cease his foolish behavior.Drawing and pointing the gun, however, is not a threat, it&#039;s an act. IF you draw, point the gun and the guy ceases his aggressive behavior then you&#039;re not threatening him, you&#039;re just ABOUT to shoot that mother. There is a difference there between threat and deescalation through force. Afterall, you don&#039;t want to shoot a man after he&#039;s seen down the barrel of your .38 and he&#039;s backing up with his hands in the air screaming, &quot;Whoah!&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BrandonMF, post: 1794599, member: 13086"] I got your point, TRDoc. Is it acceptable to deescalate a situation with a threat. No. Simple as that, IMO. If you have time to verbally threaten someone with the use of your sidearm, you are not yet to the point you should be going to your gun. If you ever get into a shouting match with some guy at a gas pump over who gets to use that pump or some stupid white trash BS that those kind of people choose to inflict on more decent folk, and you flash your gun or show it and say "I've got a gun!" to get him to stop screaming at you, you're in the wrong. If he comes at you in an aggressive manner or grabs a tire iron, say, and you draw and shoot because you were in reasonable fear for your life then you are in the right. How long does it take to say, "STOP! I have a gun!" Okay. Now, how long does it take a pissed off obese man to cross 21 feet? The math is not in your favor for a threat. It's foolish. I get your point. Add in a split second to your shouting time, 'cause he's already decided to act, so he's way farther ahead in his OODA loop than you are, hoping that a mere threat will cease his foolish behavior. Drawing and pointing the gun, however, is not a threat, it's an act. IF you draw, point the gun and the guy ceases his aggressive behavior then you're not threatening him, you're just ABOUT to shoot that mother. There is a difference there between threat and deescalation through force. Afterall, you don't want to shoot a man after he's seen down the barrel of your .38 and he's backing up with his hands in the air screaming, "Whoah!" [/QUOTE]

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