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Message: <blockquote data-quote="1Mudman" data-source="post: 4345947" data-attributes="member: 51234"><p>I have had Varmint models in Remington 700s and Savage 110s. They both shoot well as the 223 is a very accurate load with good good powder and bullets. The ones I have owned would literally bug hole and you can pump the velocity up. They have 2 sweet spots. One at a lower charge usually about 2 grains less of H322 or Vit 133 lower than the max loads. The other loads that are incredible accurate are right on the border of being too hot! Back when I owned them Lake City was abundant and cheap. I would sort them by weight after trimming and cleaning them up. I could shoot groups in the 2s with either rifle. I can only imagine how well they would shoot with Lapua, Peterson or Alpha brass. I am also thinking about building a nice 223 as they way cheaper to shoot than the 300 PRC I thought I had to have. Im thinking about a Howa 1500 barreled action and good stock from Stocky's or HS Precision. The Howa's come with a 2 stage trigger and bottom metal and saves a lot of money. Good luck! I think you really enjoy the 223 no matter what brand you decide on.</p></blockquote><p></p>