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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 2342156" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>As I stated previously, concealed is concealed, in Oklahoma anyway. In Texas for example, their 30.06 law removes that option. What if the carries items of necessity and a person with limited options can't effectively patronize another business for the item needed? At what point does the business owner assume liability? In tort law, it's at 51%. The amount of compensation id dependent on all the elements of the case, the competency of counsel and the will of a judge or jury. As a business owner, why would you want to entrust your livelihood to such vagaries? Yes, it it your right, but right doesn't mean smart. <img src="/images/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed on the laws. No new laws needed. The current laws will work just fine. All we really need is some good caselaw on the subject. A perfect example would be the Luby's massacre in Killeen, TX law made carry on posted property illegal. Luby's posted against carry. Hupp elected to disarm in order to have a meal with her parents there. She lost her parents despite having a permit and a gun in her car. </p><p></p><p>I have no idea what suits might have been filed after the Killeen massacre. Were I a judge or jury member in such a case, I'd sided with the plaintiff against Luby's for denying permit holders the option to carry and not taking reasonable steps to protect the patrons in their facility. I'd have limited the damages due to informed consent, but not vacated them entirely. </p><p></p><p>To me, that would be a perfectly reasonable stance. I'd place the split at about 60/40 against Luby's in the Killeen incident, absent aggravating or mitigating circumstances. If it were a remote location with no other options to get needed supplies or food, I'd up the percentage against the business. If there were another business across the street offering similar goods and services that didn't post against carry, I'd lower the percentage against the business.</p><p></p><p>We have to remember that freedom to do whatever you wish doesn't equal freedom from consequences. That goes just as much for business as it does for individuals. In this day and age, you have to assume that anny place you invite the public en masse to come and give you money, you have a viable target for violence. Take reasonable precautions or allow your valued customers to do so, if you truly value them and not just their money. <img src="/images/smilies/anyone.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":anyone:" title="Anyone :anyone:" data-shortname=":anyone:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 2342156, member: 1132"] As I stated previously, concealed is concealed, in Oklahoma anyway. In Texas for example, their 30.06 law removes that option. What if the carries items of necessity and a person with limited options can't effectively patronize another business for the item needed? At what point does the business owner assume liability? In tort law, it's at 51%. The amount of compensation id dependent on all the elements of the case, the competency of counsel and the will of a judge or jury. As a business owner, why would you want to entrust your livelihood to such vagaries? Yes, it it your right, but right doesn't mean smart. ;) Agreed on the laws. No new laws needed. The current laws will work just fine. All we really need is some good caselaw on the subject. A perfect example would be the Luby's massacre in Killeen, TX law made carry on posted property illegal. Luby's posted against carry. Hupp elected to disarm in order to have a meal with her parents there. She lost her parents despite having a permit and a gun in her car. I have no idea what suits might have been filed after the Killeen massacre. Were I a judge or jury member in such a case, I'd sided with the plaintiff against Luby's for denying permit holders the option to carry and not taking reasonable steps to protect the patrons in their facility. I'd have limited the damages due to informed consent, but not vacated them entirely. To me, that would be a perfectly reasonable stance. I'd place the split at about 60/40 against Luby's in the Killeen incident, absent aggravating or mitigating circumstances. If it were a remote location with no other options to get needed supplies or food, I'd up the percentage against the business. If there were another business across the street offering similar goods and services that didn't post against carry, I'd lower the percentage against the business. We have to remember that freedom to do whatever you wish doesn't equal freedom from consequences. That goes just as much for business as it does for individuals. In this day and age, you have to assume that anny place you invite the public en masse to come and give you money, you have a viable target for violence. Take reasonable precautions or allow your valued customers to do so, if you truly value them and not just their money. :anyone: [/QUOTE]
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