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<blockquote data-quote="uncle money bags" data-source="post: 2578235" data-attributes="member: 8377"><p>This run n gun gets better every time. Always a challenge, and a learning experience, surrounded by a great group of people. I cannot thank the hosts and organizers enough for letting me participate and help out. </p><p></p><p>Later I will put more thoughts down as an AAR but i wanted to clear up a small issue regarding stage 3 and the RO behind the glass.</p><p>During the winter run n gun when i worked that stage i offered to call out shot info when i was able to see it. I believed giving the shooter feedback on round impacts beyond a simple "hit" was appropriate considering the distance involved and the various optics and sights the competitors used. </p><p>Calling shots consistently was a challenge depending on where the shooter took position relative to the spotting scope and on the weapon platform/round fired. I did not feel like i contributed significantly to the shooters ability to make corrections based on what info i relayed to them.</p><p>When i shot the stage last winter i was using an Aimpoint m4 with a 2 moa dot, with no magnification. The ro at the stage when it was my turn to shoot did not use the spotting scope and i received no corrections, with the only indication of a hit being the strobe and the ring of steel. A 40 plus rounds and exactly 4 minutes later i got hit 3. In fact, only about 1/3 of the shooters cleared that stage during the winter event, with corrections when requested. I decided at that time that i had better learn how to make hits at that distance without assistance and with the same weapon platform. </p><p>Other than more PT, it was the biggest learning experience for me during the winter event.</p><p>I was confidant of my holdovers out to about 300 yards on a full size torso, just hold about the same height as the target over and i will get hits at 300. When that distance gets to 400 plus it was all guess work, and not having someone give corrections means a lot of rounds and a lot of time to make those hits. Especially when the round that performs best from my rifle drops 94 inches at 500 yards.</p><p>Another member here lent me the use of his chrono where i was able to get my round velocity and use a ballistic calculator to figure out my drop at distance.(thanks to hump66). From there i had to calculate the click values for that same Aimpoint at 400 and 500 yards in order to make hits without having to hold over and guess. After i had that info i went to a range with steel at 400 and 500 to verify the dope which turned out to be spot on.</p><p>Thats right, i took a knee in the woods before i got to stage 3 and dialed in 30 clicks elevation on a red dot so i could just put the dot on the target and shoot. This event, instead of 4 minutes and 40 plus rounds it took me 4 rounds and 25 seconds, without assistance from the ro behind the glass except to call hits. In fact, my 5th shot was on the way down range before the sound of my third hit reached the station. The 5th was also a hit.</p><p></p><p>My take away is this. </p><p>Al and Dan have stated from the beginning that this event was geared toward testing both man and his machines in the event of a 2nd Amendment type situation. </p><p>Learning what works and what doesnt under field conditions. </p><p>Taking those lessons learned and applying them to correct deficiencies in our training and gear.</p><p>And getting hang out with a bunch of like minded folks having a great time.</p><p></p><p>Most of you remember that during the winter event only about 1/3rd of the shooters cleared stage 3. This time the ratios were reversed, and then some. Now, i know what your thinking. UMB was giving us bad info last winter at stage 3. Not at all. Thats not who i am. If i could not see with some degree of certainty what the round was doing i kept my mouth shut. However, i could not give the exact same correct info to every shooter and that is why i decided to not give that info this time. For those of you who were prepared for the challenge of that stage, had the right equipment for the job and performed, my hat is off to you. For the rest i hope you take it as a lesson to learn like i had to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="uncle money bags, post: 2578235, member: 8377"] This run n gun gets better every time. Always a challenge, and a learning experience, surrounded by a great group of people. I cannot thank the hosts and organizers enough for letting me participate and help out. Later I will put more thoughts down as an AAR but i wanted to clear up a small issue regarding stage 3 and the RO behind the glass. During the winter run n gun when i worked that stage i offered to call out shot info when i was able to see it. I believed giving the shooter feedback on round impacts beyond a simple "hit" was appropriate considering the distance involved and the various optics and sights the competitors used. Calling shots consistently was a challenge depending on where the shooter took position relative to the spotting scope and on the weapon platform/round fired. I did not feel like i contributed significantly to the shooters ability to make corrections based on what info i relayed to them. When i shot the stage last winter i was using an Aimpoint m4 with a 2 moa dot, with no magnification. The ro at the stage when it was my turn to shoot did not use the spotting scope and i received no corrections, with the only indication of a hit being the strobe and the ring of steel. A 40 plus rounds and exactly 4 minutes later i got hit 3. In fact, only about 1/3 of the shooters cleared that stage during the winter event, with corrections when requested. I decided at that time that i had better learn how to make hits at that distance without assistance and with the same weapon platform. Other than more PT, it was the biggest learning experience for me during the winter event. I was confidant of my holdovers out to about 300 yards on a full size torso, just hold about the same height as the target over and i will get hits at 300. When that distance gets to 400 plus it was all guess work, and not having someone give corrections means a lot of rounds and a lot of time to make those hits. Especially when the round that performs best from my rifle drops 94 inches at 500 yards. Another member here lent me the use of his chrono where i was able to get my round velocity and use a ballistic calculator to figure out my drop at distance.(thanks to hump66). From there i had to calculate the click values for that same Aimpoint at 400 and 500 yards in order to make hits without having to hold over and guess. After i had that info i went to a range with steel at 400 and 500 to verify the dope which turned out to be spot on. Thats right, i took a knee in the woods before i got to stage 3 and dialed in 30 clicks elevation on a red dot so i could just put the dot on the target and shoot. This event, instead of 4 minutes and 40 plus rounds it took me 4 rounds and 25 seconds, without assistance from the ro behind the glass except to call hits. In fact, my 5th shot was on the way down range before the sound of my third hit reached the station. The 5th was also a hit. My take away is this. Al and Dan have stated from the beginning that this event was geared toward testing both man and his machines in the event of a 2nd Amendment type situation. Learning what works and what doesnt under field conditions. Taking those lessons learned and applying them to correct deficiencies in our training and gear. And getting hang out with a bunch of like minded folks having a great time. Most of you remember that during the winter event only about 1/3rd of the shooters cleared stage 3. This time the ratios were reversed, and then some. Now, i know what your thinking. UMB was giving us bad info last winter at stage 3. Not at all. Thats not who i am. If i could not see with some degree of certainty what the round was doing i kept my mouth shut. However, i could not give the exact same correct info to every shooter and that is why i decided to not give that info this time. For those of you who were prepared for the challenge of that stage, had the right equipment for the job and performed, my hat is off to you. For the rest i hope you take it as a lesson to learn like i had to. [/QUOTE]
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