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<blockquote data-quote="dalepres" data-source="post: 283445" data-attributes="member: 3233"><p>Greetings. This is my first post to OKShooters.com. I really wanted to get my two cent's worth on this topic. I have two points - so it's one cent per point.</p><p></p><p>1. I think that if you're seen carrying in a posted business, I don't think that you will get asked to leave. I think that the near-minimum-wage "manager" of most retail establishments will follow some corporate instructions to lock themselves in the back and call the police. It is very likely that the first you know that you were seen will be when the police approach... and hopefully the "manager" didn't blow things out of proportion so much that the police show up guns drawn. I think that may be the risk of getting caught carrying in a posted place, not just being asked to leave.</p><p></p><p>Do any of the LEOs have specific experience in how these calls tend to come in?</p><p></p><p>And, 2. At least one poster on this thread said they struggled with the parking lot law because they understand the property rights issue involved with telling the property owner they must allow guns in private vehicles.</p><p></p><p>I agreed with that point too when I first heard of this issue. Then I read somewhere where someone posted another idea on this. We do not let property owners violate other civil rights just because it is on their private property. Businesses cannot discriminate against women, minorities, or even old guys like me. Why then, should they be allowed to violate your second amendment rights? And your fourth amendment rights by searching your private vehicle - especially when that vehicle is publicly accessible as in not gate protected? </p><p></p><p>I respect private property rights - as long as they don't represent a threat to the well-being or safety of my family or me. Even so, when they allow me to park my vehicle on their lot, everything above my tires is still my private property and as much as they want to have private property rights over their property, they must allow me my private property rights over my vehicle.</p><p></p><p>Thanks to the admins/owners for a great resource and the opportunity to exercise my first amendment rights on their private property. <img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Dale</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dalepres, post: 283445, member: 3233"] Greetings. This is my first post to OKShooters.com. I really wanted to get my two cent's worth on this topic. I have two points - so it's one cent per point. 1. I think that if you're seen carrying in a posted business, I don't think that you will get asked to leave. I think that the near-minimum-wage "manager" of most retail establishments will follow some corporate instructions to lock themselves in the back and call the police. It is very likely that the first you know that you were seen will be when the police approach... and hopefully the "manager" didn't blow things out of proportion so much that the police show up guns drawn. I think that may be the risk of getting caught carrying in a posted place, not just being asked to leave. Do any of the LEOs have specific experience in how these calls tend to come in? And, 2. At least one poster on this thread said they struggled with the parking lot law because they understand the property rights issue involved with telling the property owner they must allow guns in private vehicles. I agreed with that point too when I first heard of this issue. Then I read somewhere where someone posted another idea on this. We do not let property owners violate other civil rights just because it is on their private property. Businesses cannot discriminate against women, minorities, or even old guys like me. Why then, should they be allowed to violate your second amendment rights? And your fourth amendment rights by searching your private vehicle - especially when that vehicle is publicly accessible as in not gate protected? I respect private property rights - as long as they don't represent a threat to the well-being or safety of my family or me. Even so, when they allow me to park my vehicle on their lot, everything above my tires is still my private property and as much as they want to have private property rights over their property, they must allow me my private property rights over my vehicle. Thanks to the admins/owners for a great resource and the opportunity to exercise my first amendment rights on their private property. :) Dale [/QUOTE]
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