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<blockquote data-quote="Buzzdraw" data-source="post: 90338" data-attributes="member: 385"><p>I just concluded a discussion with CLEET’s staff attorney regarding a couple SDA matters, including trespass. Here is a synopsis of the conversation regarding trespass.</p><p></p><p>There are two degrees of trespass: simple and criminal. Simple trespass is defined as not causing harm or of an innocent nature. This includes going past an ordinary "no guns" sign, at a property whose entry into by SDA holders is not restricted by statute. It will not cause a SDA license to be revoked/suspended. Criminal trespass CAN cause suspension/loss of SDA license. It is of a greater degree of trespass, potentially causing harm/damage to the property being trespassed upon (i.e. destruction of property at the location, etc.) </p><p></p><p>He elaborated that if simple trespass progresses to the point that law enforcement is called out, the LE asks the SDA trespasser to leave, AND this lawful order is declined by the SDA licensee, THEN things could get sticky for the SDA licensee. The LE could, at that point, cite not only for simple trespass, but also for disobeying a lawful order of a police officer, in addition to whatever other statute-breaking items the officer may find, if he chooses to continue investigation. </p><p></p><p>The SDA licensee MUST know the law (and the legal status of property he may enter) to stay out of serious trouble.</p><p></p><p>A definative legal opinion for all of Oklahoma would be firmly established by an AG's opinion. These are sometimes necessary if the statutes are not clear or are possibly conflicting. I'm not advocating a request for an official opinion as necessary in this case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buzzdraw, post: 90338, member: 385"] I just concluded a discussion with CLEET’s staff attorney regarding a couple SDA matters, including trespass. Here is a synopsis of the conversation regarding trespass. There are two degrees of trespass: simple and criminal. Simple trespass is defined as not causing harm or of an innocent nature. This includes going past an ordinary "no guns" sign, at a property whose entry into by SDA holders is not restricted by statute. It will not cause a SDA license to be revoked/suspended. Criminal trespass CAN cause suspension/loss of SDA license. It is of a greater degree of trespass, potentially causing harm/damage to the property being trespassed upon (i.e. destruction of property at the location, etc.) He elaborated that if simple trespass progresses to the point that law enforcement is called out, the LE asks the SDA trespasser to leave, AND this lawful order is declined by the SDA licensee, THEN things could get sticky for the SDA licensee. The LE could, at that point, cite not only for simple trespass, but also for disobeying a lawful order of a police officer, in addition to whatever other statute-breaking items the officer may find, if he chooses to continue investigation. The SDA licensee MUST know the law (and the legal status of property he may enter) to stay out of serious trouble. A definative legal opinion for all of Oklahoma would be firmly established by an AG's opinion. These are sometimes necessary if the statutes are not clear or are possibly conflicting. I'm not advocating a request for an official opinion as necessary in this case. [/QUOTE]
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