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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HMFIC" data-source="post: 2109718" data-attributes="member: 7539">I'd like to ask how many firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens prevent or deter murders upon themselves or their loved ones.  I am confident that this number is significantly higher than the murder rate.I'll go one step further and also ask how many firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens prevent or deter all forms of crime.  I am equally confident that this number is significantly higher than the gun crime rate.It doesn't really matter what the question is or how it's framed though... the bottom line is ALWAYS this:  Freedom is more important than any false sense of security that those who would deny our gun rights may gain over restrictions of any kind.   Maintaining our freedoms may in fact require a civil war someday, but to begin the argument stating that we should trade one for the other is just ridiculous.Perhaps the question that should be asked is of those who would like to trample the second amendment... ask them if they would be willing to trade a gun-free America for a Civil War?- I am in favor of civil war if accompanied by a gun free America.or- I am against civil war even if it means America will not be gun free.</blockquote>