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Poll: Curious how many will agree with a statement I found in an OP-ED
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<blockquote data-quote="Murph" data-source="post: 2109929" data-attributes="member: 8602"><p>I understand your point, I think, and your phrasing is probably better than that 4 different options I finally went with. </p><p></p><p>I found coming up with the actual poll questions surprisingly difficult, I wanted questions that would not only generate a noticeable statistical difference in respondents, and to be understandable to a non-gun person as well. Even after going with the 4 I chose, I'm still not happy with the phrasing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In the original op-ed Nicky says, </p><p></p><p>...I dropped by a gun market where I was offered grenade launchers, machine guns, antitank mines, and even an anti-aircraft weapon. Yep, an N.R.A. dream! No pesky regulators. Just terrorism and a minor civil war.</p><p></p><p>I recognized the libellous insult on the first read through, but only recently did I think to generate and document an explicit opposing viewpoint.</p><p></p><p>More thoughts</p><p>First there in the conflation, of Yeman, where a <em>gun market</em> is the place you can go to buy rockets and tanks, grenades and missiles which for convenience I'll classify as <strong>Heavy Weapons</strong>. </p><p></p><p>To America, where a <em>gun market</em> means a <u>gun show</u> or a <u> gun store</u>. These are the places you can go to and buy <strong>guns</strong>. Rifles, shotgun, handguns, ammo, shooting accessories and other miscellaneous items. The kind of ordnance for sell at Nichy's <em>gun market</em> are unavailable. Heck, you can't even buy a full auto firearm or a suppressor in the U.S. without obtaining special documents.</p><p></p><p>Second we have the assertion that the N.R.A. <em>dreams</em> about an <em>anything goes</em> market. This statement is demonstrably false. I challenge anyone to point to any statements or literature from the N.R.A. fantasizing </p><p>about the unrestricted sale of <strong>Heavy Weapons</strong>.</p><p></p><p>Third we have the assertion that not only does the N.R.A. dream about the sale of <strong>Heavy Weapons</strong>, but they don't care if it takes a civil war to make <em>their dream</em> a reality.</p><p></p><p>So in a few short sentences we have gone from a munitions market located in Yemen, essentially a failed state with a few oligarchies scrambling for power, who's citizens still subscribe to 'ethnic' divisions at the tribal level. Who have spent the majority of their history killing each other over ethnic and/or religious and/or political and/or economic issues</p><p>.</p><p>Compared to the United States, who's citizens continue to reject the formation of a socialist/fascist/progressive State Authority in favour of individual liberty and self-rule.</p><p></p><p>Which is a nightmare for Nicky and his fellow travellers who's reification of The State and the states Power are like the accounts I've only read about in the books of George Orwell. Well there, but also in historical and sometimes contemporary reports from and/or about the USSR, Nazi Germany, Cuba, Communist China, Bosnia, Rwanda, Imperial Japan, Serbia, Yeman....</p><p></p><p>One last thing <strong>favour</strong> is identified as misspelled if spelled 'favor' by the spell checker bot that checks my posts. Is this internal to my pc, or my OSA account?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Murph, post: 2109929, member: 8602"] I understand your point, I think, and your phrasing is probably better than that 4 different options I finally went with. I found coming up with the actual poll questions surprisingly difficult, I wanted questions that would not only generate a noticeable statistical difference in respondents, and to be understandable to a non-gun person as well. Even after going with the 4 I chose, I'm still not happy with the phrasing. In the original op-ed Nicky says, ...I dropped by a gun market where I was offered grenade launchers, machine guns, antitank mines, and even an anti-aircraft weapon. Yep, an N.R.A. dream! No pesky regulators. Just terrorism and a minor civil war. I recognized the libellous insult on the first read through, but only recently did I think to generate and document an explicit opposing viewpoint. More thoughts First there in the conflation, of Yeman, where a [i]gun market[/i] is the place you can go to buy rockets and tanks, grenades and missiles which for convenience I'll classify as [b]Heavy Weapons[/b]. To America, where a [i]gun market[/i] means a [u]gun show[/u] or a [u] gun store[/u]. These are the places you can go to and buy [b]guns[/b]. Rifles, shotgun, handguns, ammo, shooting accessories and other miscellaneous items. The kind of ordnance for sell at Nichy's [i]gun market[/i] are unavailable. Heck, you can't even buy a full auto firearm or a suppressor in the U.S. without obtaining special documents. Second we have the assertion that the N.R.A. [i]dreams[/i] about an [i]anything goes[/i] market. This statement is demonstrably false. I challenge anyone to point to any statements or literature from the N.R.A. fantasizing about the unrestricted sale of [b]Heavy Weapons[/b]. Third we have the assertion that not only does the N.R.A. dream about the sale of [b]Heavy Weapons[/b], but they don't care if it takes a civil war to make [i]their dream[/i] a reality. So in a few short sentences we have gone from a munitions market located in Yemen, essentially a failed state with a few oligarchies scrambling for power, who's citizens still subscribe to 'ethnic' divisions at the tribal level. Who have spent the majority of their history killing each other over ethnic and/or religious and/or political and/or economic issues . Compared to the United States, who's citizens continue to reject the formation of a socialist/fascist/progressive State Authority in favour of individual liberty and self-rule. Which is a nightmare for Nicky and his fellow travellers who's reification of The State and the states Power are like the accounts I've only read about in the books of George Orwell. Well there, but also in historical and sometimes contemporary reports from and/or about the USSR, Nazi Germany, Cuba, Communist China, Bosnia, Rwanda, Imperial Japan, Serbia, Yeman.... One last thing [B]favour[/B] is identified as misspelled if spelled 'favor' by the spell checker bot that checks my posts. Is this internal to my pc, or my OSA account? [/QUOTE]
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