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Message: <blockquote data-quote="diggler1833" data-source="post: 3929321" data-attributes="member: 48072">Having avoided them like the plague, I'm going to regurgitate the generalized complaints of owners...so please take this as only an educated opinion:Thin barrels that had more pressure applied at the gas block than other designs (eg. ARs).  Add a wood or plastic stock that isn't precisely fitted, and you have multiple contact points that really screw with the harmonics of any barrel - let alone a pencil barrel...especially a wood stock that expands and contracts with the environment. I *heard* the older barrels were button rifled poorly, and had a lot of stress relief that caused POI shift once they heated up.  I guess their CHF process helped alleviate some of the problem, and this is why they are regarded as 2-4 MOA rifles now as opposed to minute of pie plate.  Again, I have no experience here.Top it off with crappy iron sights and a trigger that wasn't great (I have fired a couple rounds through one), and you have a recipe for disappointment if you are expecting long range varmint accuracy. But the rifles weren't designed for that purpose though.Just my .02.</blockquote>