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<blockquote data-quote="OK Corgi Rancher" data-source="post: 3863302" data-attributes="member: 45773">That&#039;s just a ridiculous thing to say for a gun that&#039;s been in continuous production for 35 years (so you must have a really young grandpa).&nbsp; It&#039;s universally regarded as a very reliable shotgun.&nbsp; Mine&#039;s been perfect with the exception of certain light field loads...a round for which this model was never intended.&nbsp; As a matter of fact it shouldn&#039;t cycle light loads at all but will with some Federal loads.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know why that is (it shouldn&#039;t but it does) because I bought it new and it hasn&#039;t been modified.&nbsp; The model may be showing it&#039;s age but to say it&#039;s junk is not even close to reality.YOU may not like it and you may have even scored one with problems.&nbsp; That doesn&#039;t translate to the others.&nbsp; I&#039;ve also never had to change O-rings that some claim are so problematic.&nbsp; Big deal.&nbsp; It&#039;s cheap and it&#039;s easy...like changing a recoil spring in most any handgun.Furthermore, mine is a Police (also called the &quot;Special Purpose&quot;) model.&nbsp; It has a different gas system than the standard 11-87 (or the port is different, at least) and with the standard barrel it&#039;s specifically designed only for heavy loads like buckshot and slugs.&nbsp; And with those it&#039;s an excellent performer and has never failed.&nbsp; I&#039;ve heard some say the 11-87P won&#039;t cycle unless fired from a well-supported position.&nbsp; I&#039;ve never tried to verify this.The standard model is also 1/2 to 1/3 the price (or even less) than some of the models you mentioned and not everyone has that sort of budget.Few things are more irritating than people who confuse their opinions with fact.ETA:&nbsp; I forgot to mention that I believe the 11-87P was discontinued by Remington many years ago...maybe around 2008 or thereabouts.&nbsp; I&#039;d have to look it up to be sure.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OK Corgi Rancher, post: 3863302, member: 45773"] That's just a ridiculous thing to say for a gun that's been in continuous production for 35 years (so you must have a really young grandpa). It's universally regarded as a very reliable shotgun. Mine's been perfect with the exception of certain light field loads...a round for which this model was never intended. As a matter of fact it shouldn't cycle light loads at all but will with [B]some[/B] Federal loads. I don't know why that is (it shouldn't but it does) because I bought it new and it hasn't been modified. The model may be showing it's age but to say it's junk is not even close to reality. YOU may not like it and you may have even scored one with problems. That doesn't translate to the others. I've also never had to change O-rings that some claim are so problematic. Big deal. It's cheap and it's easy...like changing a recoil spring in most any handgun. Furthermore, mine is a Police (also called the "Special Purpose") model. It has a different gas system than the standard 11-87 (or the port is different, at least) and with the standard barrel it's specifically designed only for heavy loads like buckshot and slugs. And with those it's an excellent performer and has never failed. I've heard some say the 11-87P won't cycle unless fired from a well-supported position. I've never tried to verify this. The standard model is also 1/2 to 1/3 the price (or even less) than some of the models you mentioned and not everyone has that sort of budget. Few things are more irritating than people who confuse their opinions with fact. ETA: I forgot to mention that I believe the 11-87P was discontinued by Remington many years ago...maybe around 2008 or thereabouts. I'd have to look it up to be sure. [/QUOTE]

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