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Message: <blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 3598720" data-attributes="member: 15054">All my dies will move the shoulder back without any shell holder tweaks.The dies will also size the body of the case smaller and size the neck smaller.The die I honed out  will not size the neck of the .308 case any at all vs the fired size and will not resize the body either.Just thinning a shell holder does not get me a die that will only touch the shoulder.I think I missed something in my explanation.I have never had a rifle shoot better groups by just neck sizing.All mine shoot tighter groups with a Full length size.But I am going to experiment with my next few outings with neck sized only  cases and see if it still holds true.</blockquote>