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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Billybob" data-source="post: 2692167" data-attributes="member: 1294">BLASPHEMY!!!!!! HERITIC!!!!!I'm just jacking with you, sorry, this stuff does get interesting doesn't it? Maybe it should be pointed out that you didn't pull that "Pauline Heresy" idea out of your ass, it came from scholars as many things have, but which scholars are right?What was the true goal of the council of Nicea, spiritual or political? What kind of "Christian" was Constantine? It's said many holy men gathered, how holy were they if they wanted those with different beliefs than theirs to be banished or persecuted and their beliefs made a crime just as it had been done to them in the past? As for the rapture stuff it's interesting to also look at Dispensationalism and Futurism, what are they? Who came up with them? Who was John Nelson Darby and what did he have to do with it? What effect has all this had on rapture doctrine and Christianity? And what effect has Christianity had on politics? And since I've said the "P" word the question arises; should we not always be leery when those who profess to teach/decide the "truth" may have a potential "conflict of interest" be it power(political) or material(wealth)? Do we have the whole story?, what about the apocryphal books, they were in the original King James Bible, why were they removed? It's also interesting to note that the Revelation of John wasn't accepted into canon and was considered apocryphal (along with some other books) until after the 5th. century(most were accepted by the 2nd. Cen.)  Greek or Hebrew, Jerome or Augustine, the Protestant Reformation reopened that so is further reformation and change possible? How canon/doctrine(O.T., Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Church of England) developed is an interesting issue in itself.What about the Gnostic Gospels found in Nag Hammadi? They're very old like the Dead sea scrolls, some scholars contend they're older than the gospels in the NT. And what about the Dead sea scrolls, the Book of Enoch?,who were the Essenes? If we're to rely on the decisions of men about what the Bible/truth is should we not study and discern the nature of those men?Some say we have all we need in the Bible now, if we take that at face value there are still many questions. We're told Jesus said  "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." There's also "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many", and "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many". Taken at face value those would seem to indicate that mainstream ideas with large followings might very well be wrong.And what if what we have/accept isn't accurate? Is "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" really supposed to be in the Bible?<a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/aprilweb-only/117-31.0.html" target="_blank">http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/aprilweb-only/117-31.0.html</a></blockquote>

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