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<blockquote data-quote="Noema" data-source="post: 3844193" data-attributes="member: 51052"><p>When asking this sort of question, you are going to get a **** ton of different answers depending on what branch they follow. The idea that you go to hell for taking your own life usually comes from Catholicism which isn't Christianity. They are two completely different doctrines that often conflict with each other. Catholicism is more of a religion, while Christianity isn't. A religion is the practice of rituals, such as going to church, praying to Mary, confessing your sins, praying in a certain direction at a certain time each day, ect. Those aren't required in the Christian teachings. You never have to set foot in a church to be a Christian. Christianity is a relationship. The teaching about taking your life means you can't go to heaven is explained like this. Taking your own life is a sin. self murder. So if you murder yourself, how can you ask for forgiveness for your sin? You can't. Its already too late. So you can't enter the kingdom of heaven. The only other place to go is hell. Which is a whole other debate in and of itself. Whether it is a real place or not in both teachings is heavily debated. Now, why is Christianity so different on this stance? Well, Jesus paid for all sins, past, present and future. He was the ultimate sacrifice. He took all sins upon himself that day. Does that mean you can commit sin freely if you're a Christian and still go to heaven? No, Jesus knows your heart and your intensions. He knows if you coming to him is the real deal. Its an ongoing relationship with him. He walks with you every day. He expects you to fall. He knows you will sin. The difference is, he knows your heart and your intensions. If your relationship with him is true and you are doing your best, he knows that. Now, its impossible to know exactly how things are done. That's why its a belief and not a fact. So I can only explain to you on what I think happens. Say i do kill myself, but my relationship with Jesus was true and honest, but i made a mistake. I believe he will be there holding my hand walking me into heaven. Sure, i committed a sin, but remember, Jesus paid for all sins, past, present and future. He also knew my heart and my intensions. He knew i wasn't taking advantage of him. Using him for this VIP pass for my 99 virgins, wait, wrong religion...</p><p></p><p></p><p>So this part is often debated with no clear answer. Its hard to explain in words. Let me try though with the above analogy. Say my buddy is a bouncer at a club. Call him "Jebus". I'm friendly to Jebus to the point he allows me to get in free any time i want. Jebus thinks we are friends, but he doesn't know that i actually hate him. I despise him and i'm only using him to get into the club. That means that relationship between us is fake. There isn't one. He is merely an object that i use to benefit me. So the key word here is "relationship". Once Jebus finds out that i'm using him and there was no relationship to begin with, Jebus isn't going to let me go inside anymore. He only let me inside because he thought there was a form of a relationship. Now, you can't pull that **** on Jesus. He knows if you are really coming to him. That is the difference. People will often ask me, "so, that means serial killers can go to heaven"? The answer is yes. If later in life they form a relationship with Jesus, then yes, they can. Because if their relationship with him is honest and true, that means they threw away their past self. They knew what they did was wrong and are now walking with Jesus to a better life. Ok, lets say they form this relationship and decided to make the same mistake. what happens now? Well, in Christianity, there isn't a sin scale. All sin is equal. Killing someone is just as bad as stealing. One sin doesn't hold more value than the other. Sin is sin, regardless. So we often get emotional when we compare killing to stealing, because to us, killing is a far worse crime, but to god it isn't. Its all the same. The gate of heaven is a metal detector. So as long as you have metal in your pockets, they aren't going to let you in. Doesn't matter if its a pocket knife or a machete. So that needs to be said first. So coming to Christ and telling a lie later is the same as someone coming to Christ and killing a bunch of people. In gods eyes, you both are sinners. There is no Sinner, sinner plus, alpha sinner. You and the murderer are the same to god. You need to be in that mindset to understand how Christianity works. I'm not saying i'm right and this is the true way to god. I'm just explaining how the teachings were explained to me and how i interpret them. </p><p>I spent many years in Christian apologetics and debating religion with professors and elites of their sects. So i spent quite a bit of my life studying this stuff. </p><p>I know I didn't directly answer your question, because I don't know. I'm not the judge. Its not up to me. I can only tell you what I believe and how I see it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Noema, post: 3844193, member: 51052"] When asking this sort of question, you are going to get a **** ton of different answers depending on what branch they follow. The idea that you go to hell for taking your own life usually comes from Catholicism which isn't Christianity. They are two completely different doctrines that often conflict with each other. Catholicism is more of a religion, while Christianity isn't. A religion is the practice of rituals, such as going to church, praying to Mary, confessing your sins, praying in a certain direction at a certain time each day, ect. Those aren't required in the Christian teachings. You never have to set foot in a church to be a Christian. Christianity is a relationship. The teaching about taking your life means you can't go to heaven is explained like this. Taking your own life is a sin. self murder. So if you murder yourself, how can you ask for forgiveness for your sin? You can't. Its already too late. So you can't enter the kingdom of heaven. The only other place to go is hell. Which is a whole other debate in and of itself. Whether it is a real place or not in both teachings is heavily debated. Now, why is Christianity so different on this stance? Well, Jesus paid for all sins, past, present and future. He was the ultimate sacrifice. He took all sins upon himself that day. Does that mean you can commit sin freely if you're a Christian and still go to heaven? No, Jesus knows your heart and your intensions. He knows if you coming to him is the real deal. Its an ongoing relationship with him. He walks with you every day. He expects you to fall. He knows you will sin. The difference is, he knows your heart and your intensions. If your relationship with him is true and you are doing your best, he knows that. Now, its impossible to know exactly how things are done. That's why its a belief and not a fact. So I can only explain to you on what I think happens. Say i do kill myself, but my relationship with Jesus was true and honest, but i made a mistake. I believe he will be there holding my hand walking me into heaven. Sure, i committed a sin, but remember, Jesus paid for all sins, past, present and future. He also knew my heart and my intensions. He knew i wasn't taking advantage of him. Using him for this VIP pass for my 99 virgins, wait, wrong religion... So this part is often debated with no clear answer. Its hard to explain in words. Let me try though with the above analogy. Say my buddy is a bouncer at a club. Call him "Jebus". I'm friendly to Jebus to the point he allows me to get in free any time i want. Jebus thinks we are friends, but he doesn't know that i actually hate him. I despise him and i'm only using him to get into the club. That means that relationship between us is fake. There isn't one. He is merely an object that i use to benefit me. So the key word here is "relationship". Once Jebus finds out that i'm using him and there was no relationship to begin with, Jebus isn't going to let me go inside anymore. He only let me inside because he thought there was a form of a relationship. Now, you can't pull that **** on Jesus. He knows if you are really coming to him. That is the difference. People will often ask me, "so, that means serial killers can go to heaven"? The answer is yes. If later in life they form a relationship with Jesus, then yes, they can. Because if their relationship with him is honest and true, that means they threw away their past self. They knew what they did was wrong and are now walking with Jesus to a better life. Ok, lets say they form this relationship and decided to make the same mistake. what happens now? Well, in Christianity, there isn't a sin scale. All sin is equal. Killing someone is just as bad as stealing. One sin doesn't hold more value than the other. Sin is sin, regardless. So we often get emotional when we compare killing to stealing, because to us, killing is a far worse crime, but to god it isn't. Its all the same. The gate of heaven is a metal detector. So as long as you have metal in your pockets, they aren't going to let you in. Doesn't matter if its a pocket knife or a machete. So that needs to be said first. So coming to Christ and telling a lie later is the same as someone coming to Christ and killing a bunch of people. In gods eyes, you both are sinners. There is no Sinner, sinner plus, alpha sinner. You and the murderer are the same to god. You need to be in that mindset to understand how Christianity works. I'm not saying i'm right and this is the true way to god. I'm just explaining how the teachings were explained to me and how i interpret them. I spent many years in Christian apologetics and debating religion with professors and elites of their sects. So i spent quite a bit of my life studying this stuff. I know I didn't directly answer your question, because I don't know. I'm not the judge. Its not up to me. I can only tell you what I believe and how I see it. [/QUOTE]
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