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<blockquote data-quote="Lhecker51" data-source="post: 3790821" data-attributes="member: 48719"><p>I trust the positive intent of HoneyBadger and very much appreciate her comment. I know you are being honest and willing to go to the mat for our children that are in your care and I appreciate you.</p><p></p><p>There are, however, other Oklahoma educators that are very vitriolic in their social media responses. This is why I make no assumptions and ask questions first to determine if there is an issue or gap to address.</p><p>I get a lot of that "not my job and you can't make me" response from folks when asking rational questions that are read into and imply things I did not say. This was especially true from teachers commenting on the FB page for Ryan Walters. I got the sense they prefer memorials for dead children than implementing effective, rational, and immediate school defense plans stating that they will NEVER defend their classroom with evil guns. I understand this is any emotional response from the loud ones among them, but I saw absolutely no pushback from educators to their comments nor support for any action other than to fight any solution other than unrealistic demands to disarm us of all "assault rifles". These people are supposedly educators that lack the ability to separate documented fact from their emotional fiction. I completely understand that emotions will run high, but I respectfully asked for their suggestions on an effective plan and was attacked by them. I was not expecting this sort of discourse from educators in Oklahoma. I know my audience when I speak and assume they are rational and willing to focus on a solution, but found they are more interested in defending their biases. This is not good. It is not my intent to ruffle their Rhubarb, but sometimes it is unavoidable.</p><p></p><p>So what I have learned is that we do have trained SRO's. That is a great start, but only a part of a comprehensive school safety plan. This is all just my opinion and perspective. Prevention, response, and treatment of casualties are a common sense approach regarding planning, training, and assessment through exercise drills. Just as I approach being prepared for combat, I approach any serious threat in this manner and so should we all. This is not a political or feelings issue. The destruction of the intact family that includes both parents present is one of the root causes, in my opinion. Until that is addressed, I expect even more of this evil in the future for which we must be prepared. I sense that some educators feel threatened by concerned citizens weighing in and "muscling in" on their domain. That is not the case. Yelling and screaming at each other in emotional rants does nothing to address this critical threat. </p><p></p><p>Not sure if some educators are aware, but they may have to get out of their comfort zone to effectively address the current threat. No one is forcing them to be armed and I doubt they ever will be, but I take serious issue with any that would actively attempt to prevent those that would voluntarily do so. I expected a much more mature and measured response from them and I understand many that are rational remain silent out of fear of being targeted by peers in their profession. Now is not the time to be silent with an issue as serious as this. It requires a respectful and mature debate focused on an effective solution.</p><p></p><p>What Deborah Gist is recommending? More studies. Well I have some news for her. Those studies have been done after Sandy Hook. How is that for leadership? All of her critiques have been effectively addressed in many school districts, but she is still at square one. That tells me she has done absolutely nothing since being appointed back in 2015. This is a serious leadership failure and should be immediately addressed. Will it? Most likely not. Some people must be dragged kicking and screaming into reality and forced to be accountable to the citizens of Tulsa when rational questions are asked, but she choses to air her emotional rant in public social media to attack Ryan Walters. This is unacceptable.</p><p></p><p>They may not like my next questions. I would like to review the active shooter response plan, the criteria for evaluation of that response, and the results of those evaluations. At this time, I have received the policies, and guidance from Jon Parker, Director of School Safety for the state of Oklahoma. I am reviewing them now and will post relevant documents to this thread with comment.</p><p></p><p>As a senior military leader, we always held after action reviews to identify issues and propagate what we learned to all forces. We are in a war against evil and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. Half measures do not cut it and we continue to pay the price of this folly in the blood of our children. I will not rehash what we already know about the politicization of proposed responses as we, in the firearms community, already have a superior command of the facts.</p><p></p><p>To educators, I recommend you consider asking some questions of yourselves and your leadership:</p><p></p><p>How comfortable and confident am I in treating casualties? A single school nurse most likely will not be enough to address the possibility of a mass casualty event.</p><p></p><p>Am I willing to be trained?</p><p></p><p>Should I be looking for another job? (serious question if one is unwilling to be prepared)</p><p></p><p>I remain willing and able to volunteer any support to address this situation not only in Tulsa, but the state of Oklahoma.</p><p></p><p>JEVapa, I appreciate your experienced and articulate response. As a Tier I veteran operator, you did not disappoint. Thanks for stepping up, brother! If there is a training gap in the medical response that is identified, this is a great step in the right direction and a fine start to an effective solution. Let me know if I can be of any assistance in any way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lhecker51, post: 3790821, member: 48719"] I trust the positive intent of HoneyBadger and very much appreciate her comment. I know you are being honest and willing to go to the mat for our children that are in your care and I appreciate you. There are, however, other Oklahoma educators that are very vitriolic in their social media responses. This is why I make no assumptions and ask questions first to determine if there is an issue or gap to address. I get a lot of that "not my job and you can't make me" response from folks when asking rational questions that are read into and imply things I did not say. This was especially true from teachers commenting on the FB page for Ryan Walters. I got the sense they prefer memorials for dead children than implementing effective, rational, and immediate school defense plans stating that they will NEVER defend their classroom with evil guns. I understand this is any emotional response from the loud ones among them, but I saw absolutely no pushback from educators to their comments nor support for any action other than to fight any solution other than unrealistic demands to disarm us of all "assault rifles". These people are supposedly educators that lack the ability to separate documented fact from their emotional fiction. I completely understand that emotions will run high, but I respectfully asked for their suggestions on an effective plan and was attacked by them. I was not expecting this sort of discourse from educators in Oklahoma. I know my audience when I speak and assume they are rational and willing to focus on a solution, but found they are more interested in defending their biases. This is not good. It is not my intent to ruffle their Rhubarb, but sometimes it is unavoidable. So what I have learned is that we do have trained SRO's. That is a great start, but only a part of a comprehensive school safety plan. This is all just my opinion and perspective. Prevention, response, and treatment of casualties are a common sense approach regarding planning, training, and assessment through exercise drills. Just as I approach being prepared for combat, I approach any serious threat in this manner and so should we all. This is not a political or feelings issue. The destruction of the intact family that includes both parents present is one of the root causes, in my opinion. Until that is addressed, I expect even more of this evil in the future for which we must be prepared. I sense that some educators feel threatened by concerned citizens weighing in and "muscling in" on their domain. That is not the case. Yelling and screaming at each other in emotional rants does nothing to address this critical threat. Not sure if some educators are aware, but they may have to get out of their comfort zone to effectively address the current threat. No one is forcing them to be armed and I doubt they ever will be, but I take serious issue with any that would actively attempt to prevent those that would voluntarily do so. I expected a much more mature and measured response from them and I understand many that are rational remain silent out of fear of being targeted by peers in their profession. Now is not the time to be silent with an issue as serious as this. It requires a respectful and mature debate focused on an effective solution. What Deborah Gist is recommending? More studies. Well I have some news for her. Those studies have been done after Sandy Hook. How is that for leadership? All of her critiques have been effectively addressed in many school districts, but she is still at square one. That tells me she has done absolutely nothing since being appointed back in 2015. This is a serious leadership failure and should be immediately addressed. Will it? Most likely not. Some people must be dragged kicking and screaming into reality and forced to be accountable to the citizens of Tulsa when rational questions are asked, but she choses to air her emotional rant in public social media to attack Ryan Walters. This is unacceptable. They may not like my next questions. I would like to review the active shooter response plan, the criteria for evaluation of that response, and the results of those evaluations. At this time, I have received the policies, and guidance from Jon Parker, Director of School Safety for the state of Oklahoma. I am reviewing them now and will post relevant documents to this thread with comment. As a senior military leader, we always held after action reviews to identify issues and propagate what we learned to all forces. We are in a war against evil and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. Half measures do not cut it and we continue to pay the price of this folly in the blood of our children. I will not rehash what we already know about the politicization of proposed responses as we, in the firearms community, already have a superior command of the facts. To educators, I recommend you consider asking some questions of yourselves and your leadership: How comfortable and confident am I in treating casualties? A single school nurse most likely will not be enough to address the possibility of a mass casualty event. Am I willing to be trained? Should I be looking for another job? (serious question if one is unwilling to be prepared) I remain willing and able to volunteer any support to address this situation not only in Tulsa, but the state of Oklahoma. JEVapa, I appreciate your experienced and articulate response. As a Tier I veteran operator, you did not disappoint. Thanks for stepping up, brother! If there is a training gap in the medical response that is identified, this is a great step in the right direction and a fine start to an effective solution. Let me know if I can be of any assistance in any way. [/QUOTE]
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