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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CharlieMurphy" data-source="post: 2330724" data-attributes="member: 31193">Ok, let me try and break this down.  I got through a few thousand pages of the law but its a difficult for me to remember what is exactly where.  How this works is that they can force specific treatments or medications for specific diseases or situations.  The doctor does not have to agree with the treatment and can refuse but then that doctor is no longer an approved doctor for the insurance plans we are required to have by law and therefore can no longer see patients using insurance.  If they are allowed to keep practicing medicine, then they can continue on a cash basis.  So if you want to try a different approach to treating a terminal disease outside the normal treatment, your insurance probably won't cover it after 2015.  The second part to this when they roll out the panels that will decide on based on a cost/benefit type analysis.  Older people will not receive the same quality of care as younger people since they allegedly have less to benefit to society.  Bill Gates famously commented on this with the question (somewhat paraphrased since I am going from memory but I'm not far off),"would you rather keep a 75 year old on life support so they can survive a few more years or use that money to hire 3 extra teachers?"  All this is buried in that law.  They don't phrase it in the same way but to understand how it will be interpreted and used you have to study the background and publications from those who wrote the law and those who will enforce it.  If they really wanted to improve healthcare for Americans then there are plenty of examples of working systems we could have copied to achieved that goal such as Singapore or the Scandinavian countries. Bottom line is that the entire thing was sold on lies and deception.  Obama himself probably doesn't know half the stuff in this law.  He said if you liked your plan and your doctor you could keep them, period.  Lie.  He said we would have public debates on the law on CSPAN.  Lie.  All debates were behind closed doors and we were not allowed to see the bill until it passed.  Call me a tin foil hatter if you want but that is crazy and should be illegal.  Another problem is that the bill gives the President and HHS secretary unlimited power to change the law as they see fit.  That is unconstitutional.  The Congress cannot lawfully pass a law that delegates the legislative power we give away to the executive branch.Many of the biggest abuses of this law are not the ones we are debating, it a bunch of devious clauses hidden inside this monster of a law.</blockquote>

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