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<blockquote data-quote="AMT7" data-source="post: 2466672" data-attributes="member: 32064"><p>So far our scale has been very accurate. Will keep an eye on it though and not as sensitive to air currents as some reports I have read. Doing a lot of weight counting tonight with it.</p><p></p><p>Range report on Alliant e3 pistol handload workups for:</p><p>380acp</p><p>9mm Luger</p><p>10mm auto</p><p></p><p>Red Dot minus 10-20% e3 Alternate Powder Pistol Handload preface:</p><p>E3 is a very fast nitro mix composition "flake" powder, I am told, known for forgiving properties with non linear pressure curve if used within Red Dot load specs. But dangerous if not very careful to stay within max for Red Dot & or CUP with heavier boolits in longer barrels.</p><p></p><p>Summaries only as posting all the data from our log is pointless. All e3 loads shot at 100 yard burm target in 50F weather windy gusting to 28 mph (yea fun) @ 591' above sea level. Sorry no chrono.</p><p></p><p>380acp test gun Sig P238 2.7" bbl 15.2 oz w/ mag near new all factory less than 20 round count:</p><p>Factory ammo reference Remington UMC 95 gr MC, metal case.plinker accuracy was inconsistent to terrible @ 25 yards. UMC used to make good stuff in the '80's not sure what happaned at the Lonoke factory in AR.</p><p></p><p>Bullet= 100 gr Berrys bulk cold swaged lead core electro plated (no jacket) here: <a href="http://www.berrysmfg.com/products-c58-Berrys_Preferred_Plated_Pistol_Bullets.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.berrysmfg.com/products-c58-Berrys_Preferred_Plated_Pistol_Bullets.aspx</a></p><p>Primer Winchester small pistol.</p><p>Cases once fired range brass untrimmed full resize. OAL .977"-.984".</p><p>Powder charge increment of .75 gr from 2.1 gr to 2.925 gr. Lowest charges from 2.1 to 2.7 gr acceptable for 20 to 50 yard plinking. Accuracy sweet spot @ 100 yds gradually tightened to peak at two steps 2.775 gr to 2.850 gr and max load @ 2.925 gr began to destabilize. Recoil was mild from minimum 2.1 gr slowly increasing to 2.625 gr feeling like a mild 9mm luger load compact poly M&P Shield 9mm recoil but also started to ruin cases from ejection rebound at mouth in two spots 180 degrees opposite on last one to last two rounds in clip through the load max @ 2.925 gr. Barrel stayed incredibly clean.</p><p></p><p>9MM Para/ Luger e3 workup:</p><p>Test gun: </p><p>Almost new factory S&W M&P Shield Poly frame 3.1" bbl 19.1 oz round count ~30. </p><p>More brief on this one. No branded factory ammo ref just bulk poly bag plinking mfg'd local 125 gr RN. Unkn projectile type (unable to verify due to lack of labeling), performed erratically no accuracy @ 100 yds. </p><p>Reloaded 115gr same as above 380acp bullet type here: <a href="http://www.berrysmfg.com/products-c58-Berrys_Preferred_Plated_Pistol_Bullets.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.berrysmfg.com/products-c58-Berrys_Preferred_Plated_Pistol_Bullets.aspx</a></p><p>Cases full resize mixed headstamp once fired range brass. Winchester primers. OAL one load batch was 1.1515" to 1.165" for 4.4 gr in sweet spot but rest were 1.163"-1.169" . Steps up in .1 gr more agressive since 380acp went so well beginning with 4.1 gr e3 to max @ 4.5 gr. 4.1gr no issues felt weak was low @100 few feet occasonal flyer 1 to 2 of 5 as increased recoil was comparible to other 9mm factory loads. Increasing accuracy and small felt recoil inrease up to 4.4 gr which was the sweet spot including max load @4.5 gr. No case issues.</p><p></p><p>Now for the jewel of the three:</p><p>10mm auto</p><p>Test gun Tanflugio EAA Witness Carry Poly 3.6" bbl 29 oz new, factory, round count 6 prior to test. Factory load compare was Remington UMC poor performance, sad really, wimpy 175 gr no accuracy @ 100 yds. </p><p>Workup bullets same mfg & type composition as above Berry's cast plated FN in 165 gr, in once fired range brass full resize mixed head stamp OAL 1.254"-1.260" all pretty tight range consistent compared to other batches. No case / primer indications of over pressure. E3 start 5.0 gr to 6.2 gr max. 5.0 gr okay close range plinker not accurate consistent low about 2.5'. 5.3 gr to 5.9 gr sweet spot very wide increasing accuracy in rise @ 100 yds but very accurate otherwise. Only one slight flyer tight 1.2' grooping to start and 5.6 gr & 5.9 gr dead on. 6.2 gr max less accurate. Recoil was same trend no suprises.</p><p></p><p>All in all very pleased with this Alliant e3 12ga shotgun powder in pistols.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AMT7, post: 2466672, member: 32064"] So far our scale has been very accurate. Will keep an eye on it though and not as sensitive to air currents as some reports I have read. Doing a lot of weight counting tonight with it. Range report on Alliant e3 pistol handload workups for: 380acp 9mm Luger 10mm auto Red Dot minus 10-20% e3 Alternate Powder Pistol Handload preface: E3 is a very fast nitro mix composition "flake" powder, I am told, known for forgiving properties with non linear pressure curve if used within Red Dot load specs. But dangerous if not very careful to stay within max for Red Dot & or CUP with heavier boolits in longer barrels. Summaries only as posting all the data from our log is pointless. All e3 loads shot at 100 yard burm target in 50F weather windy gusting to 28 mph (yea fun) @ 591' above sea level. Sorry no chrono. 380acp test gun Sig P238 2.7" bbl 15.2 oz w/ mag near new all factory less than 20 round count: Factory ammo reference Remington UMC 95 gr MC, metal case.plinker accuracy was inconsistent to terrible @ 25 yards. UMC used to make good stuff in the '80's not sure what happaned at the Lonoke factory in AR. Bullet= 100 gr Berrys bulk cold swaged lead core electro plated (no jacket) here: [url]http://www.berrysmfg.com/products-c58-Berrys_Preferred_Plated_Pistol_Bullets.aspx[/url] Primer Winchester small pistol. Cases once fired range brass untrimmed full resize. OAL .977"-.984". Powder charge increment of .75 gr from 2.1 gr to 2.925 gr. Lowest charges from 2.1 to 2.7 gr acceptable for 20 to 50 yard plinking. Accuracy sweet spot @ 100 yds gradually tightened to peak at two steps 2.775 gr to 2.850 gr and max load @ 2.925 gr began to destabilize. Recoil was mild from minimum 2.1 gr slowly increasing to 2.625 gr feeling like a mild 9mm luger load compact poly M&P Shield 9mm recoil but also started to ruin cases from ejection rebound at mouth in two spots 180 degrees opposite on last one to last two rounds in clip through the load max @ 2.925 gr. Barrel stayed incredibly clean. 9MM Para/ Luger e3 workup: Test gun: Almost new factory S&W M&P Shield Poly frame 3.1" bbl 19.1 oz round count ~30. More brief on this one. No branded factory ammo ref just bulk poly bag plinking mfg'd local 125 gr RN. Unkn projectile type (unable to verify due to lack of labeling), performed erratically no accuracy @ 100 yds. Reloaded 115gr same as above 380acp bullet type here: [url]http://www.berrysmfg.com/products-c58-Berrys_Preferred_Plated_Pistol_Bullets.aspx[/url] Cases full resize mixed headstamp once fired range brass. Winchester primers. OAL one load batch was 1.1515" to 1.165" for 4.4 gr in sweet spot but rest were 1.163"-1.169" . Steps up in .1 gr more agressive since 380acp went so well beginning with 4.1 gr e3 to max @ 4.5 gr. 4.1gr no issues felt weak was low @100 few feet occasonal flyer 1 to 2 of 5 as increased recoil was comparible to other 9mm factory loads. Increasing accuracy and small felt recoil inrease up to 4.4 gr which was the sweet spot including max load @4.5 gr. No case issues. Now for the jewel of the three: 10mm auto Test gun Tanflugio EAA Witness Carry Poly 3.6" bbl 29 oz new, factory, round count 6 prior to test. Factory load compare was Remington UMC poor performance, sad really, wimpy 175 gr no accuracy @ 100 yds. Workup bullets same mfg & type composition as above Berry's cast plated FN in 165 gr, in once fired range brass full resize mixed head stamp OAL 1.254"-1.260" all pretty tight range consistent compared to other batches. No case / primer indications of over pressure. E3 start 5.0 gr to 6.2 gr max. 5.0 gr okay close range plinker not accurate consistent low about 2.5'. 5.3 gr to 5.9 gr sweet spot very wide increasing accuracy in rise @ 100 yds but very accurate otherwise. Only one slight flyer tight 1.2' grooping to start and 5.6 gr & 5.9 gr dead on. 6.2 gr max less accurate. Recoil was same trend no suprises. All in all very pleased with this Alliant e3 12ga shotgun powder in pistols. [/QUOTE]
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