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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Huckelberry75" data-source="post: 1729862" data-attributes="member: 7489">It just depends upon how far you plan on stretching them out.  Are you going to 1,000yds?  I shot some 168 SMK's in the wind today and was banging steel at 780yds.  After a couple sighters, it was ringing, just fine.  The 178/175's will carry more energy out at range, adn do indeed have a better ballistic coefficient, but if you are going to a max range of ..say 500yds and in, then either bullet weight will do fine.  If you are going out to 1,000yds, then yes, you would want the 178/175 as DG mentioned.  All depends upon what you want to do.To answer the second part of your original question, for subsonics, loock at 170gn Flat nose bullets typically used in a 30-30 or the 180 round nose or 220gn round nose.  That and a can of trail boss and you are in subsonic business.</blockquote>