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<blockquote data-quote="dutchwrangler" data-source="post: 1687586" data-attributes="member: 4650"><p>I'm much in agreement. However, freedom is nothing more than the unfettered action of an individual. Liberty is is freedom bound by obligations to society. Thus the distinction as I understand it. Liberty, although bound by society, doesn't require a sense of nationalism. If this were the case, then I would have a very difficult time with the concept of liberty as I have absolutely no loyalty to any nation. Such is my background which provides me an unbiased, untainted view of issues in the two nations that I've lived in. As this forum deals mostly with the US, I impart my views as it pertains here. Unfortunately what I type does often chafe many here as they embrace love of country and I don't. I try to be diplomatic about it but sometimes don't convey it well in the written word.</p><p></p><p>Politics and religion are games. Behind the political scenes are men of money who influence the game so that the outcome is to their advantage financially and growth of power. The common man is nothing but the source of taxes to fund the government built by the elites. The petty discussion of one candidate being better than the other, or this candidate will restore freedom and liberty or let us keep our guns is a non-issue. The issue is the philisophical debate between what is good and what is evil. Over the course of my life I've come to the conclusion that evil is nothing more than one harming another by infringing on another's right to life, liberty and property. Thus, when government, for all it's good, socialist, utopian intentions taxes a man without his consent, then government is engaging in the evil act of theft which is an infringement on a man's property. When government dictates what vegetation a man can smoke or not then government is engaging in the evil act of theft on a man's right to life choices. Conversely, if I infringe on a man's right to life, liberty and property I am acting with evil intent. </p><p></p><p>Which brings us to the point that I've often made on this forum: what is the purpose of government? If we are to have government, then it's only rightful purpose is to protect a man's right to life, liberty and property. Anything that does not protect those rights is thus an infringement and evil. The Constitution was the embodiement of this on paper to restrict the national government. It's now a worthless piece of paper and meaningless as the federal government is believed by most Americans to be the entity that must govern society and regulate man to nothing more than a 17th Amendment serf and slave to the government. </p><p></p><p>Voting won't change a damn thing. And whomever sits in the Oval Office is just a tool of the elites who have perverted the Law for their gain as Bastiat mentions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dutchwrangler, post: 1687586, member: 4650"] I'm much in agreement. However, freedom is nothing more than the unfettered action of an individual. Liberty is is freedom bound by obligations to society. Thus the distinction as I understand it. Liberty, although bound by society, doesn't require a sense of nationalism. If this were the case, then I would have a very difficult time with the concept of liberty as I have absolutely no loyalty to any nation. Such is my background which provides me an unbiased, untainted view of issues in the two nations that I've lived in. As this forum deals mostly with the US, I impart my views as it pertains here. Unfortunately what I type does often chafe many here as they embrace love of country and I don't. I try to be diplomatic about it but sometimes don't convey it well in the written word. Politics and religion are games. Behind the political scenes are men of money who influence the game so that the outcome is to their advantage financially and growth of power. The common man is nothing but the source of taxes to fund the government built by the elites. The petty discussion of one candidate being better than the other, or this candidate will restore freedom and liberty or let us keep our guns is a non-issue. The issue is the philisophical debate between what is good and what is evil. Over the course of my life I've come to the conclusion that evil is nothing more than one harming another by infringing on another's right to life, liberty and property. Thus, when government, for all it's good, socialist, utopian intentions taxes a man without his consent, then government is engaging in the evil act of theft which is an infringement on a man's property. When government dictates what vegetation a man can smoke or not then government is engaging in the evil act of theft on a man's right to life choices. Conversely, if I infringe on a man's right to life, liberty and property I am acting with evil intent. Which brings us to the point that I've often made on this forum: what is the purpose of government? If we are to have government, then it's only rightful purpose is to protect a man's right to life, liberty and property. Anything that does not protect those rights is thus an infringement and evil. The Constitution was the embodiement of this on paper to restrict the national government. It's now a worthless piece of paper and meaningless as the federal government is believed by most Americans to be the entity that must govern society and regulate man to nothing more than a 17th Amendment serf and slave to the government. Voting won't change a damn thing. And whomever sits in the Oval Office is just a tool of the elites who have perverted the Law for their gain as Bastiat mentions. [/QUOTE]
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