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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow" data-source="post: 1490989" data-attributes="member: 7123"><p>Reliability and speed: Excellent / Tops</p><p></p><p>Fit and finish: Near the bottom. But on the fit part, that's what you WANT to get the "tops" reliability.</p><p></p><p>Very good overall for defensive use. </p><p></p><p>Main drawback is that detachable mag sticking down could interfere with your shot, depending on situation and shot type and your own shooting holds / idiosyncracies. E.g. when shooting from prone, anything longer than the 5 round mag sticks in the ground, causing you to have to tilt or lift up some.</p><p></p><p>Another drawback is just mediocre-bordering-on-poor trigger out of the box, and silly kalashnikov safety. </p><p></p><p>Another drawback is relative inability / difficulty in adjusting the iron sights that come stock.</p><p></p><p>Another drawback is that by the time you get it how you want it, with a lot of extra bells and whistles (assuming that you do), you've spent a small fortune - relatively more than you would tricking a more traditional tube-mag gun.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Had one; kick myself for selling it; Gonna get another one - this time, it WILL be kushnapupped:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.kushnapup.com/" target="_blank">http://www.kushnapup.com/</a></p><p></p><p>For hunting, meh, notsomuch on wingshooting. </p><p></p><p>For turkeys, sure why not? It comes with a full choke (if you get the multi-choke model), and the short barrel doesn't hamper you for shooting turkeys. But two related issues on turkeys -- the line of sight is pretty high, so you have to aim high for really close shots (under 15 yards), and the aforementioned sucky irons means that you're better off putting a scope / ESD on it, which adds weight & expense. Not the BEST choice for turkey hunting, but not bad. The sight that I had on my tricked Saiga 12 was an Armson OEG, and it was unbelievably fast. This may sound crazy, but if you put a Trijicon ACOG or other similar low-powered scope with illuminated dot or chevron on a Saiga, you could use it as a scope for turkey hunting (or regular hunting with slugs), but then close the front lens cap and use it as a non-magnified OEG for self-defense. Just like guys do with ARs. Best of all worlds.</p><p></p><p>But in the end, it's designed as a defensive shotgun - we probably ought not try to shove it into roles that it's not designed for, though in a pinch it will do. I've killed doves and quail with and 18" <em>rifled </em>12 ga slug gun with a P-grip and folding stock as a teen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, post: 1490989, member: 7123"] Reliability and speed: Excellent / Tops Fit and finish: Near the bottom. But on the fit part, that's what you WANT to get the "tops" reliability. Very good overall for defensive use. Main drawback is that detachable mag sticking down could interfere with your shot, depending on situation and shot type and your own shooting holds / idiosyncracies. E.g. when shooting from prone, anything longer than the 5 round mag sticks in the ground, causing you to have to tilt or lift up some. Another drawback is just mediocre-bordering-on-poor trigger out of the box, and silly kalashnikov safety. Another drawback is relative inability / difficulty in adjusting the iron sights that come stock. Another drawback is that by the time you get it how you want it, with a lot of extra bells and whistles (assuming that you do), you've spent a small fortune - relatively more than you would tricking a more traditional tube-mag gun. Had one; kick myself for selling it; Gonna get another one - this time, it WILL be kushnapupped: [url]http://www.kushnapup.com/[/url] For hunting, meh, notsomuch on wingshooting. For turkeys, sure why not? It comes with a full choke (if you get the multi-choke model), and the short barrel doesn't hamper you for shooting turkeys. But two related issues on turkeys -- the line of sight is pretty high, so you have to aim high for really close shots (under 15 yards), and the aforementioned sucky irons means that you're better off putting a scope / ESD on it, which adds weight & expense. Not the BEST choice for turkey hunting, but not bad. The sight that I had on my tricked Saiga 12 was an Armson OEG, and it was unbelievably fast. This may sound crazy, but if you put a Trijicon ACOG or other similar low-powered scope with illuminated dot or chevron on a Saiga, you could use it as a scope for turkey hunting (or regular hunting with slugs), but then close the front lens cap and use it as a non-magnified OEG for self-defense. Just like guys do with ARs. Best of all worlds. But in the end, it's designed as a defensive shotgun - we probably ought not try to shove it into roles that it's not designed for, though in a pinch it will do. I've killed doves and quail with and 18" [I]rifled [/I]12 ga slug gun with a P-grip and folding stock as a teen. [/QUOTE]
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