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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jgibs0321" data-source="post: 4371012" data-attributes="member: 49409"><p>I wont engage about optics price and quality etc., but in any LIKELY self defense shooting with a pistol, a person is unlikely to be further than 7 yards. If the defender has solid handgunning fundamentals, you can still hit a torso just bracketing the frame of the red dot (if the dot is no longer working or even if the glass falls out) and make it work. Kind of like shooting a slick top slide with no sights, totally doable at 0-7 yards! That applies no matter how fancy or non fancy of a pistol and sight system anyone uses.</p></blockquote><p></p>