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Message: <blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 4200544" data-attributes="member: 15054">Not all deer or other critters leave a blood trail.Buddy's dad shot one in the shoulder with a 150 gr 30-06 and the deer ran  through the woods like it was never hit.He called me and said they could not find the deer.I asked it it was my handloads they used and he said yes and I asked him how far did you walk.He said about 40 yards and no blood anywhere.I said walk 80 or 100 yards in all directions.He called back and said it was found at 80 yards and the shoulder was destroyed and meat hanging out but no blood until they rolled it over.Sometimes that happens.One reason I do not like shoulder shots.But they found the deer so all is good.Maybe make a note on where on the body of the deer they are being shot and the bang flop shots you witness try for those areas.I have intentionally stuck the bullet behind the shoulder in the crease into the heart just to see how far the deer will go if it does run.They seem to all run.Forward facing into the chest and heart they  crumple up and stay there.Double lung shot  some run some drop.I do not know what bullet you are using but I am curious.And curious as to where the deer get "poked".</blockquote>