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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gerhard1" data-source="post: 2068190" data-attributes="member: 5391">Pretty much agree with it.  In fact, IIRC, one product was withdrawn from the civilian market due primarily, to the way it was advertised.  This was Black Talon, and Winchester shot themselves in the foot (no pun intended) by the rather lurid way they advertised it.  'Razor sharp shards of metal ripping through flesh', and that sort of stuff.  While the ads were geared primarily to the firearms people, the media got ahold of this, and they used it to portray the users of Black Talon as bloodthirsty monsters.   This scared the hell out of the public, and the gun-control advocates used it to introduce bills to restrict high-performance handgun rounds, and rather than run the risk of some rather severe ammunition restrictions, Winchester did the right thing and voluntarily withdrew Black Talon ammo from the civilian market.We have to be careful what we say on public forums as well for the same reasons.  The media and the gun-grabbers visit these forums as well, and they can use stuff that they see here against us.   On another forum, there was talk about how sure, the feds could have their ammo--one round at a time.  Talk like this is not a good idea, folks.  On the old, now-defunct Packing.org, there was open talk  about killing cops who came to the door to collect guns.  Granted, most of this was blowing smoke, and I think a far more likely result would be a need for fresh underwear after they meekly hand over their guns to the cops, but still, talk like this does us no good.Always remember that we have to win the hearts and minds of the middle, and our talk and our actions should keep this in mind.</blockquote>

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