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<blockquote data-quote="abajaj11" data-source="post: 2170012" data-attributes="member: 3553"><p>Right now, the government is prohibited from maintaining a central database of 4473 applications. They can only go to a dealer (FFL) and ask for a particular form if there is probable cause. Also, 4473 forms are deliberately kept as paper copies, so it is impossible for the FEDs to steal this information if it were in digital form, and maintain a database in secret. </p><p></p><p>It has long been the holy grail for anti 2A folks to maintain a central database (registry) of who owns what, since that will allow for swift and relatively peaceful disarmament of the population. Right now they cannot do it. </p><p> </p><p>Now, imagine if there was a requirement that <strong>ALL</strong> transactions pass a background check. To MONITOR if that requirement is being followed, the government H<strong>AS to be able to TELL that a sale ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE</strong>. the only way to know that a sale actually took place is to know <strong>WHO owned WHAT before and after any transaction. </strong></p><p>Knowing WHO owns WHAT is <strong>REGISTRATION</strong>. Thus, the UBC requirement is an excuse to legitimize the creation of a central registry. </p><p></p><p>Registration is a very very bad idea. It has always led to confiscation, after a long period of harassment of gun owners. 2A is about preventing a central tyrant from creating a standing army stronger than the populace. The last thing the populace wants is a central database that can be used by any potential tyrant to disarm the populace.</p><p> </p><p>The entire push for Universal Background checks over the last few weeks has been as a pathway to allow the Executive Branch (DOJ and POTUS) to get executive orders in motion to allow creation of this registry. </p><p>If the Feds were actually serious about background checks and NICs' effectiveness, they would have pursued people after they were denied NICs checks, since it is a FELONY to lie on the 4473 form. Why are the people who lie on the 4473 form almost never prosecuted?</p><p>Check this article out:</p><p><a href="http://www.newsmax.com/JohnLott/bradylaw-gunownership/2011/06/14/id/399967" target="_blank">http://www.newsmax.com/JohnLott/bradylaw-gunownership/2011/06/14/id/399967</a></p><p>Hope this makes some sense for you. </p><p><img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="abajaj11, post: 2170012, member: 3553"] Right now, the government is prohibited from maintaining a central database of 4473 applications. They can only go to a dealer (FFL) and ask for a particular form if there is probable cause. Also, 4473 forms are deliberately kept as paper copies, so it is impossible for the FEDs to steal this information if it were in digital form, and maintain a database in secret. It has long been the holy grail for anti 2A folks to maintain a central database (registry) of who owns what, since that will allow for swift and relatively peaceful disarmament of the population. Right now they cannot do it. Now, imagine if there was a requirement that [B]ALL[/B] transactions pass a background check. To MONITOR if that requirement is being followed, the government H[B]AS to be able to TELL that a sale ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE[/B]. the only way to know that a sale actually took place is to know [B]WHO owned WHAT before and after any transaction. [/B] Knowing WHO owns WHAT is [B]REGISTRATION[/B]. Thus, the UBC requirement is an excuse to legitimize the creation of a central registry. Registration is a very very bad idea. It has always led to confiscation, after a long period of harassment of gun owners. 2A is about preventing a central tyrant from creating a standing army stronger than the populace. The last thing the populace wants is a central database that can be used by any potential tyrant to disarm the populace. The entire push for Universal Background checks over the last few weeks has been as a pathway to allow the Executive Branch (DOJ and POTUS) to get executive orders in motion to allow creation of this registry. If the Feds were actually serious about background checks and NICs' effectiveness, they would have pursued people after they were denied NICs checks, since it is a FELONY to lie on the 4473 form. Why are the people who lie on the 4473 form almost never prosecuted? Check this article out: [url]http://www.newsmax.com/JohnLott/bradylaw-gunownership/2011/06/14/id/399967[/url] Hope this makes some sense for you. :) [/QUOTE]
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