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<blockquote data-quote="sdalover" data-source="post: 979028" data-attributes="member: 5860"><p>This is all interesting discussion but until we know more details it is all a mute point. I'm sure at one point when more details are released we will all learn much from the incident. </p><p></p><p>Every time i read about one of these situations, i try to see what i can learn from it. </p><p></p><p>At this point, the only fact that seems to be fact (per released police details as posted on news on 6) is the shooter stopped this guy and did it with one 38 caliber shot to the upper torso. </p><p></p><p>I am taking three thoughts from this shooting:</p><p></p><p>1. The importance of combat placement when you want to stop a threat. No matter what type of gun, or type of caliber, unless you do your part with shot placement the cartridge cannot do its intended purpose.</p><p></p><p>2. Amount of shots fired. Again, with a well placed, combat effective shot, the need for additional follow up shots to stop the threat may be reduced and in the public opinion may be the difference between out of control gunner and citizen defending life with a handgun.</p><p></p><p>Now i know in some cases (people on drugs, clothing, whatever else we can think of) multiple shots may be required to stop a threat... but all I'm trying to point out is how guilty the shooter would look (public opinion) in this case if he shot the guy 3 or 4 times to stop the threat due to some shots </p><p>hitting non combat placed areas</p><p></p><p>3. Having not seen any pics of the people involved and not placing judgement on their hand to hand combat skills or decisions. I do think that if you choose to carry a gun, you should also be ready to defend yourself in hand to hand fighting. Get some training and keep yourself in the best shape possible. Try to have the stamina and skills to at the very least protect your way to safety. There will obviously be situations when all the training and stamina in the world will not help you in a hand to hand, weaponless fight, but i'd like to think the training and conditioning would help more than hurt in most situations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sdalover, post: 979028, member: 5860"] This is all interesting discussion but until we know more details it is all a mute point. I'm sure at one point when more details are released we will all learn much from the incident. Every time i read about one of these situations, i try to see what i can learn from it. At this point, the only fact that seems to be fact (per released police details as posted on news on 6) is the shooter stopped this guy and did it with one 38 caliber shot to the upper torso. I am taking three thoughts from this shooting: 1. The importance of combat placement when you want to stop a threat. No matter what type of gun, or type of caliber, unless you do your part with shot placement the cartridge cannot do its intended purpose. 2. Amount of shots fired. Again, with a well placed, combat effective shot, the need for additional follow up shots to stop the threat may be reduced and in the public opinion may be the difference between out of control gunner and citizen defending life with a handgun. Now i know in some cases (people on drugs, clothing, whatever else we can think of) multiple shots may be required to stop a threat... but all I'm trying to point out is how guilty the shooter would look (public opinion) in this case if he shot the guy 3 or 4 times to stop the threat due to some shots hitting non combat placed areas 3. Having not seen any pics of the people involved and not placing judgement on their hand to hand combat skills or decisions. I do think that if you choose to carry a gun, you should also be ready to defend yourself in hand to hand fighting. Get some training and keep yourself in the best shape possible. Try to have the stamina and skills to at the very least protect your way to safety. There will obviously be situations when all the training and stamina in the world will not help you in a hand to hand, weaponless fight, but i'd like to think the training and conditioning would help more than hurt in most situations. [/QUOTE]
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