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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 1161761" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>This.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>High bore axis has nothing to do with accurate shooting, but it has a lot to do with the fast follow up shots which are critical in USPSA and IDPA. Simply put, the recoil impulse on a gun with a high bore centerline has more leverage against the hand to impart muzzle lift. The higher it lifts, the more a speed shooter will tend to force it back down. That causes successive shots to be off the intended point of aim more often. The other option is to allow the muzzle more time to return to point of aim naturally. That's an undesirable solution in games where winning and loosing is measured in hundredth's of a second.</p><p></p><p>Cost has almost nothing to do with it. By the time I put a Bar-Sto barrel, Dawson sights and trigger tuning on a Glock to make it as accurate as a Sig or HK, I have as much or more money in one as I would a Sig or HK. One of the most ubiquitous USPSA guns is an STI 2011. Those are significantly more expensive than Sigs or HK's. </p><p></p><p>One fo the reasons you don't see HK's is because they don't sponsor anyone. Sig sponsors Max Michel and used to sponsor Ernie Langdon. Both of them can run a Sig very well. Ernie also won with a DA/SA Beretta for a couple of years. But then again, they could run any gun well. The average shooter on the other hand is going to have more difficulty keeping up with a DA/SA gun with a high bore centerline. </p><p></p><p>I started shooting competitions over a decade ago with a Ruger P-97. It was ridiculously accurate, but felt like riding a see-saw compared to the Glocks, 1911's and M&P I've run since then. The only other gun I've run in competition that had that much pitch was a S&W 625 revolver. At least with it I was only competing against other 625's, so it wasn't an issue. The worst pitching gun I've ever shot was the HK USP 45.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 1161761, member: 1132"] This. High bore axis has nothing to do with accurate shooting, but it has a lot to do with the fast follow up shots which are critical in USPSA and IDPA. Simply put, the recoil impulse on a gun with a high bore centerline has more leverage against the hand to impart muzzle lift. The higher it lifts, the more a speed shooter will tend to force it back down. That causes successive shots to be off the intended point of aim more often. The other option is to allow the muzzle more time to return to point of aim naturally. That's an undesirable solution in games where winning and loosing is measured in hundredth's of a second. Cost has almost nothing to do with it. By the time I put a Bar-Sto barrel, Dawson sights and trigger tuning on a Glock to make it as accurate as a Sig or HK, I have as much or more money in one as I would a Sig or HK. One of the most ubiquitous USPSA guns is an STI 2011. Those are significantly more expensive than Sigs or HK's. One fo the reasons you don't see HK's is because they don't sponsor anyone. Sig sponsors Max Michel and used to sponsor Ernie Langdon. Both of them can run a Sig very well. Ernie also won with a DA/SA Beretta for a couple of years. But then again, they could run any gun well. The average shooter on the other hand is going to have more difficulty keeping up with a DA/SA gun with a high bore centerline. I started shooting competitions over a decade ago with a Ruger P-97. It was ridiculously accurate, but felt like riding a see-saw compared to the Glocks, 1911's and M&P I've run since then. The only other gun I've run in competition that had that much pitch was a S&W 625 revolver. At least with it I was only competing against other 625's, so it wasn't an issue. The worst pitching gun I've ever shot was the HK USP 45. [/QUOTE]
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