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<blockquote data-quote="Glock &#039;em down" data-source="post: 1818700" data-attributes="member: 684"><p>Yeah, I know, I know...here comes another thread about man purses. <img src="/images/smilies/rolleyes2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes2" title="Rolleyes2 :rolleyes2" data-shortname=":rolleyes2" /></p><p></p><p>I always said I didn't have a need for one of these, but after taking a Rapid Response/Active Shooter class last week, I reckon I need one, but not for what most guys would need one for. Let me explain.</p><p></p><p>I don't plan on using a long gun or even a shotgun in the event of an active shooter. For those that have taken this class, you know what I mean and if/when anybody out there takes this class, you will understand why as well. A long gun is just too big and bulky for the type of movement that this certain task/activity demands. Pistols work best.</p><p></p><p>Also, I don't wanna carry everything under the sun in this bag. In fact, the main reason I am getting this bag is for one of the comments that the instructor made about how he was left at a post to secure it and keep anybody from coming in or out while the team searched a business. He was there for well over an hour and how he wished he woulda had a simple bottle of water and maybe a powerbar or something. I don't plan on going camping with it and I could care less about preparing for the apocolypse and the zombies taking over the world, but it would be nice just to have a few items in case I do get stranded somewhere.</p><p></p><p>Here's my list of goodies I plan on filling this bag with.</p><p></p><p>Backup pistol. More than likely, a Glock 23.</p><p>Spare mags and perhaps a box of ammo.</p><p>Spyderco Tenacious</p><p>Gerber 600 multi-tool</p><p>Surefire LX2</p><p>Spare CR123 batteries</p><p>Compact pair of binos</p><p>Handcuffs</p><p>Pair of gloves</p><p>Watch cap</p><p>Bottle of water (or two)</p><p>Couple of powerbars</p><p>Rite In the Rain 4x6 notebook</p><p>Pen(s) and Sharpie(s)</p><p>Bic lighter</p><p>Lightsticks</p><p>Small emercency poncho</p><p>EMT shears</p><p>Small first aid kit</p><p>Rubber gloves</p><p>Small travel size pack of Kleenex tissues</p><p>Small travel size pack of Wet-Ones</p><p>Cotton bandana</p><p>Small can of OFF!</p><p>Lip balm</p><p>20' hank of paracord</p><p>20' of duct tape wrapped around plastic card</p><p>Small personal hygiene kit</p><p></p><p>As you can see, it looks like a lot, but compared to most guys bags, it really isn't.</p><p></p><p>Here are my three contenders and I'll describe why I like 'em.</p><p></p><p><strong>Maxpedition <em>Remora</em>:</strong> </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/Remora-Gearslinger-2p384.htm" target="_blank">http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/Remora-Gearslinger-2p384.htm</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PylcHXhYC9Y" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PylcHXhYC9Y</a></p><p></p><p>I like this bag because it doesn't <em>look</em> like a gun bag. In my opinion, the Fatboy/Versipack type of bags just scream "GUN!" when you see 'em. The Remora doesn't <em>seem</em> like a gun pack but rather just a utility bag. It has <strong>TONS</strong> of space in the main pocket. More than enough room for a pair of 1L size water bottles. Lots of MOLLE and a couple of small pockets to keep small items where you can find 'em. It has two areas for a weapon. One in the main pocket and one on the back under the pad. They are both lined with loop velcro to attach a hook velcro "holster" to it. It also has a nice loop velcro field for morale patches as well as a channel behind the loop field for a fixed blade knife. Great bag! The only bad thing is the weapon areas. More than likely, I would remove the shoulder strap which means, by design, that it has to be stuck in the back into one of the pistol areas. This means I would have to use the main pouch for my weapon which is also where my water bottles would be. That is unacceptable. So while this is a great bag, maybe it's not for me. <img src="/images/smilies/disappoint.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":disappoin" title="Disappoint :disappoin" data-shortname=":disappoin" /></p><p></p><p><strong>5.11 Tactical <em>Rush MOAB 6</em>:</strong> </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.511tactical.com/All-Products/Bags-Backpacks/Backpacks/RUSH-MOAB-6.html#Product_Description" target="_blank">http://www.511tactical.com/All-Products/Bags-Backpacks/Backpacks/RUSH-MOAB-6.html#Product_Description</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq_ku0dprzQ&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq_ku0dprzQ&feature=related</a></p><p></p><p>This bag is similar to the Maxped Remora, but it's somewhat more square instead of rectangle shaped as well as just a tad bigger. The main pocket is much bigger than that of the Remora and it also opens clamshell style, which can be good as well as bad. I know, right? <img src="/images/smilies/ugh2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":ugh2:" title="Ugh2 :ugh2:" data-shortname=":ugh2:" /> In the front pouch, this bag has more small admin style of specialty pockets than the Remora which again is good. I tend to carry more little things than big things and I like having specialty sized pockets for certain items. I also like the hidden pouch that I can put my spare pistol in. The Maxped Remora fell short of providing that capability. Unfortunately, the MOAB 6 is a <em>little</em> bigger than what I am wanting, but it is what it is. Hell, who knows - maybe I need a bigger bag anyway. The more I look at this bag, the more I like it. </p><p></p><p><strong>Hazard4 <em>Tonto Mini Messenger</em>:</strong> </p><p></p><p><a href="http://hazard4.com/products/bags/messenger-bags/tonto" target="_blank">http://hazard4.com/products/bags/messenger-bags/tonto</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zSFAmP7UtHI#" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zSFAmP7UtHI#</a></p><p></p><p>Remember the old saying about dynamite coming in small packages? Here's proof! I like this little feller! This little guy is the smallest of the three but it's big enough to hold everything I listed above with room to spare. I also like the pistol pocket on the front instead of in the middle like the 5.11 MOAB 6 or on the very back like the Maxped Remora. Another cool feature on this little guy is the divider in the main compartment. That could keep a bottle of water from crushing a bag of Doritos or something, or just keep two bottles from clanging about. In addition to MOLLE/PALS webbing on the outside, there is also a slip pocket on one side that could accomodate my Spyderco Tencious with my Surefire LX2 clipped on the outside within the webbing. Thataway, I have instant access to two very important tools. I could also put a 22 round .40 caliber Glock magazine there for a fast reload. On the other side is a cocoon style pocket that will accomodate a soda/beer can. I thought that would be a perfect spot for a small first aid kit. Thataway I know where it is and don't hafta search the insides of the bag looking for it. Under the pistol pouch/flap is an awesome admin panel that folds down with a ton of small pockets for small items. All in all, I'm liking this bag more than the other two. We'll see.</p><p></p><p>So how 'bout you guys? Which one is your favorite and why? Or if you have a favorite, click the "other" option and tell me about your bag. Pics would be a nice touch too! <img src="/images/smilies/naughty.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":naughty:" title="Naughty :naughty:" data-shortname=":naughty:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glock 'em down, post: 1818700, member: 684"] Yeah, I know, I know...here comes another thread about man purses. :rolleyes2 I always said I didn't have a need for one of these, but after taking a Rapid Response/Active Shooter class last week, I reckon I need one, but not for what most guys would need one for. Let me explain. I don't plan on using a long gun or even a shotgun in the event of an active shooter. For those that have taken this class, you know what I mean and if/when anybody out there takes this class, you will understand why as well. A long gun is just too big and bulky for the type of movement that this certain task/activity demands. Pistols work best. Also, I don't wanna carry everything under the sun in this bag. In fact, the main reason I am getting this bag is for one of the comments that the instructor made about how he was left at a post to secure it and keep anybody from coming in or out while the team searched a business. He was there for well over an hour and how he wished he woulda had a simple bottle of water and maybe a powerbar or something. I don't plan on going camping with it and I could care less about preparing for the apocolypse and the zombies taking over the world, but it would be nice just to have a few items in case I do get stranded somewhere. Here's my list of goodies I plan on filling this bag with. Backup pistol. More than likely, a Glock 23. Spare mags and perhaps a box of ammo. Spyderco Tenacious Gerber 600 multi-tool Surefire LX2 Spare CR123 batteries Compact pair of binos Handcuffs Pair of gloves Watch cap Bottle of water (or two) Couple of powerbars Rite In the Rain 4x6 notebook Pen(s) and Sharpie(s) Bic lighter Lightsticks Small emercency poncho EMT shears Small first aid kit Rubber gloves Small travel size pack of Kleenex tissues Small travel size pack of Wet-Ones Cotton bandana Small can of OFF! Lip balm 20' hank of paracord 20' of duct tape wrapped around plastic card Small personal hygiene kit As you can see, it looks like a lot, but compared to most guys bags, it really isn't. Here are my three contenders and I'll describe why I like 'em. [B]Maxpedition [I]Remora[/I]:[/B] [url]http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/Remora-Gearslinger-2p384.htm[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PylcHXhYC9Y[/url] I like this bag because it doesn't [I]look[/I] like a gun bag. In my opinion, the Fatboy/Versipack type of bags just scream "GUN!" when you see 'em. The Remora doesn't [I]seem[/I] like a gun pack but rather just a utility bag. It has [B]TONS[/B] of space in the main pocket. More than enough room for a pair of 1L size water bottles. Lots of MOLLE and a couple of small pockets to keep small items where you can find 'em. It has two areas for a weapon. One in the main pocket and one on the back under the pad. They are both lined with loop velcro to attach a hook velcro "holster" to it. It also has a nice loop velcro field for morale patches as well as a channel behind the loop field for a fixed blade knife. Great bag! The only bad thing is the weapon areas. More than likely, I would remove the shoulder strap which means, by design, that it has to be stuck in the back into one of the pistol areas. This means I would have to use the main pouch for my weapon which is also where my water bottles would be. That is unacceptable. So while this is a great bag, maybe it's not for me. :disappoin [B]5.11 Tactical [I]Rush MOAB 6[/I]:[/B] [url]http://www.511tactical.com/All-Products/Bags-Backpacks/Backpacks/RUSH-MOAB-6.html#Product_Description[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq_ku0dprzQ&feature=related[/url] This bag is similar to the Maxped Remora, but it's somewhat more square instead of rectangle shaped as well as just a tad bigger. The main pocket is much bigger than that of the Remora and it also opens clamshell style, which can be good as well as bad. I know, right? :ugh2: In the front pouch, this bag has more small admin style of specialty pockets than the Remora which again is good. I tend to carry more little things than big things and I like having specialty sized pockets for certain items. I also like the hidden pouch that I can put my spare pistol in. The Maxped Remora fell short of providing that capability. Unfortunately, the MOAB 6 is a [I]little[/I] bigger than what I am wanting, but it is what it is. Hell, who knows - maybe I need a bigger bag anyway. The more I look at this bag, the more I like it. [B]Hazard4 [I]Tonto Mini Messenger[/I]:[/B] [url]http://hazard4.com/products/bags/messenger-bags/tonto[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zSFAmP7UtHI#[/url] Remember the old saying about dynamite coming in small packages? Here's proof! I like this little feller! This little guy is the smallest of the three but it's big enough to hold everything I listed above with room to spare. I also like the pistol pocket on the front instead of in the middle like the 5.11 MOAB 6 or on the very back like the Maxped Remora. Another cool feature on this little guy is the divider in the main compartment. That could keep a bottle of water from crushing a bag of Doritos or something, or just keep two bottles from clanging about. In addition to MOLLE/PALS webbing on the outside, there is also a slip pocket on one side that could accomodate my Spyderco Tencious with my Surefire LX2 clipped on the outside within the webbing. Thataway, I have instant access to two very important tools. I could also put a 22 round .40 caliber Glock magazine there for a fast reload. On the other side is a cocoon style pocket that will accomodate a soda/beer can. I thought that would be a perfect spot for a small first aid kit. Thataway I know where it is and don't hafta search the insides of the bag looking for it. Under the pistol pouch/flap is an awesome admin panel that folds down with a ton of small pockets for small items. All in all, I'm liking this bag more than the other two. We'll see. So how 'bout you guys? Which one is your favorite and why? Or if you have a favorite, click the "other" option and tell me about your bag. Pics would be a nice touch too! :naughty: [/QUOTE]
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