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<blockquote data-quote="YukonGlocker" data-source="post: 2848711" data-attributes="member: 425">I also dropped my mic when I first saw that pretty graph...just look at the great use of contrasting blues, and nice choice of font also.&nbsp; I mean, who could argue with those numbers, right?&nbsp; Well, for starters, anyone serious about trying to understand the plans, proposals, and policies (and I realize that most people on this forum are not).&nbsp; Too bad it&#039;s not just laughable propaganda, but it&#039;s an outright lie.&nbsp; That&#039;s not, in any way, reflective of how Bernie&#039;s proposals actually work; and is in every way purposely misleading.&nbsp; I have to give them credit though; they are using simple psychological principles to persuade people, and seem to be doing it effectively...lmao.&nbsp; Vox is relying on the fact the most people won&#039;t put much thought into it (or any, for that matter).&nbsp; The graph incorrectly presents Bernie&#039;s proposed income tax brackets, and also fails to mention these are marginal tax rates, not actual.&nbsp; More problematic though, then it presents all the new monies needed as being funded by income and payroll taxes (which is totally misleading and mostly false, especially the bit about payroll taxes), and fails to mention the net income savings that will result.&nbsp; In short, Bernie&#039;s proposals specifically state they will be funded by x, y, and z sources...and the Vox graph says, &quot;oh look! Bernie&#039;s proposals will be funded with a, b, and c sources that you will directly pay for&quot; (i.e., blatant lies, given it&#039;s actually x, y, and z sources).I don&#039;t agree with all of Bernie&#039;s proposals, ideas, and arguments.&nbsp; But if we&#039;re going to have a serious discussion about them, it&#039;ll require moving beyond the &quot;oh look, free stuff!&quot; and &quot;it&#039;s all just socialist commie BS anyway&quot; level of argumentation, and digging into the mechanics of the ideas and proposals.&nbsp; I&#039;ll certainly welcome and enjoy those types of discussions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="YukonGlocker, post: 2848711, member: 425"] I also dropped my mic when I first saw that pretty graph...just look at the great use of contrasting blues, and nice choice of font also. I mean, who could argue with those numbers, right? Well, for starters, anyone serious about trying to understand the plans, proposals, and policies (and I realize that most people on this forum are not). Too bad it's not just laughable propaganda, but it's an outright lie. That's not, in any way, reflective of how Bernie's proposals actually work; and is in every way purposely misleading. I have to give them credit though; they are using simple psychological principles to persuade people, and seem to be doing it effectively...lmao. Vox is relying on the fact the most people won't put much thought into it (or any, for that matter). The graph incorrectly presents Bernie's proposed income tax brackets, and also fails to mention these are marginal tax rates, not actual. More problematic though, then it presents all the new monies needed as being funded by income and payroll taxes (which is totally misleading and mostly false, especially the bit about payroll taxes), and fails to mention the net income savings that will result. In short, Bernie's proposals specifically state they will be funded by x, y, and z sources...and the Vox graph says, "oh look! Bernie's proposals will be funded with a, b, and c sources that you will directly pay for" (i.e., blatant lies, given it's actually x, y, and z sources). I don't agree with all of Bernie's proposals, ideas, and arguments. But if we're going to have a serious discussion about them, it'll require moving beyond the "oh look, free stuff!" and "it's all just socialist commie BS anyway" level of argumentation, and digging into the mechanics of the ideas and proposals. I'll certainly welcome and enjoy those types of discussions. [/QUOTE]

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