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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dennishoddy" data-source="post: 4356843" data-attributes="member: 5412">Why is a full slab with rebar overkill? I've built three patio's and a base for a hot tub at our home that never have a visible crack. Yes, I know concrete's properties and I know your background, but I'm a gorilla builder that puts in concrete semi trucks could travel over without visible cracks. Every concrete person I know now says the new fiber concrete doesn't need rebar. Every time I go to a friend's place to see a new patio or outside cooking/recreation area it has major cracks in their concrete weeks after it's installed. Even with saw cuts.Be it the installer or concrete I don't know, but what I do know is that my method has zero visible cracks.</blockquote>