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<blockquote data-quote="joegrizzy" data-source="post: 3797151" data-attributes="member: 45524">yes; but at what point does &quot;advertising&quot; become fraud?most bait and switches that are STILL illegal involve businesses running fake ads or promotions to get people into the store, then INFORMING THEM that the thing they wanted isn&#039;t available, but they have another deal to compensate, etc. etc.that&#039;s not what occurred here; there were likely thousands and thousands of sales that were MADE at a certain rate for a certain quantity. these people got invoices, receipts, shipping updates, all of this, even delivery.howeverupon delivery it was obvious the seller has retroactively altered the sale to now include the &quot;proper&quot; quantity. people paid the same; got the same charge, and the seller merely sent less and called the deal done.that&#039;s not even a bait and switch. that&#039;s not a misprinted ad. that&#039;s fraud. i&#039;m *pretty* sure. i&#039;m not a lawyer or anything, but proven malicious intent seems VERY easy here.but i mean i know courts aren&#039;t based on things like what you can prove or what&#039;s true so.all i&#039;d need is a look at bud&#039;s books. they&#039;ve got a lot of people&#039;s money, if they&#039;d paid a big bill or made a big order with it there ya go. i&#039;d bet the farm on it.if i need to steal your money to pay for something, and i can claim it was a mistake and you&#039;ll get your money back *eventually*, i can still use your fraudulently acquired funds and pay off debt/make purchase, then let the courts and credit companies settle the rest.LOTS of retailers use this trick; it&#039;s like selling data en masse then claiming you had a &quot;data leak&quot;. your stocks will take a hit for a week or two, but you made millions if not billions selling that data dump so it&#039;s all good.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="joegrizzy, post: 3797151, member: 45524"] yes; but at what point does "advertising" become fraud? most bait and switches that are STILL illegal involve businesses running fake ads or promotions to get people into the store, then INFORMING THEM that the thing they wanted isn't available, but they have another deal to compensate, etc. etc. that's not what occurred here; there were likely thousands and thousands of sales that were MADE at a certain rate for a certain quantity. these people got invoices, receipts, shipping updates, all of this, even delivery. however upon delivery it was obvious the seller has retroactively altered the sale to now include the "proper" quantity. people paid the same; got the same charge, and the seller merely sent less and called the deal done. that's not even a bait and switch. that's not a misprinted ad. that's fraud. i'm *pretty* sure. i'm not a lawyer or anything, but proven malicious intent seems VERY easy here. but i mean i know courts aren't based on things like what you can prove or what's true so. all i'd need is a look at bud's books. they've got a lot of people's money, if they'd paid a big bill or made a big order with it there ya go. i'd bet the farm on it. if i need to steal your money to pay for something, and i can claim it was a mistake and you'll get your money back *eventually*, i can still use your fraudulently acquired funds and pay off debt/make purchase, then let the courts and credit companies settle the rest. LOTS of retailers use this trick; it's like selling data en masse then claiming you had a "data leak". your stocks will take a hit for a week or two, but you made millions if not billions selling that data dump so it's all good. [/QUOTE]

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