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<blockquote data-quote="Aries" data-source="post: 3798064" data-attributes="member: 44328"><p>You're pissed off. I get it. Bass Pro did a similar thing a couple of years ago, a half dozen of us bought into it, and their initial response was anywhere from good to terrible. Some members here called and were told, we screwed up, keep the order, and we'll refund your payment. I tried to cancel my order before it was filled, was unable to do so, a couple of emails were ignored for a couple of days until after the order was shipped, and I told them I knew people who got a refund and kept the order and they said they couldn't do that. I eventually filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau in the city their headquarters is in, and they emailed me and said they were issuing a refund and I could keep the order.</p><p></p><p>"how many times can i run that scheme before it becomes fraud?"</p><p></p><p>How many times do you know of that they've run it? Are you aware of more than one? I seriously doubt that in the 2-3 days all this unfolded that they had time to do very much with any money, most of the purchases were probably with credit cards and they never saw a dime from it. Again, if it was a scam it was the dumbest scam in history, they would have been much better off just borrowing money for less than the cost of two way shipping on who knows how many orders. BTW, it doesn't really matter if everyone doesn't send it back, if they OFFER to let everyone send it back, and every customer decides to keep the order, then by the customers choice they were not damaged. (But they are still entitled to be annoyed)</p><p></p><p>But to answer the question, it's fraud when a court rules that it's fraud. Regardless of what they may or may not have done with any money, it does not appear to rise to the definition of fraud. You can call it fraud if you want, but it does not appear to be fraud when you take the emotion out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aries, post: 3798064, member: 44328"] You're pissed off. I get it. Bass Pro did a similar thing a couple of years ago, a half dozen of us bought into it, and their initial response was anywhere from good to terrible. Some members here called and were told, we screwed up, keep the order, and we'll refund your payment. I tried to cancel my order before it was filled, was unable to do so, a couple of emails were ignored for a couple of days until after the order was shipped, and I told them I knew people who got a refund and kept the order and they said they couldn't do that. I eventually filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau in the city their headquarters is in, and they emailed me and said they were issuing a refund and I could keep the order. "how many times can i run that scheme before it becomes fraud?" How many times do you know of that they've run it? Are you aware of more than one? I seriously doubt that in the 2-3 days all this unfolded that they had time to do very much with any money, most of the purchases were probably with credit cards and they never saw a dime from it. Again, if it was a scam it was the dumbest scam in history, they would have been much better off just borrowing money for less than the cost of two way shipping on who knows how many orders. BTW, it doesn't really matter if everyone doesn't send it back, if they OFFER to let everyone send it back, and every customer decides to keep the order, then by the customers choice they were not damaged. (But they are still entitled to be annoyed) But to answer the question, it's fraud when a court rules that it's fraud. Regardless of what they may or may not have done with any money, it does not appear to rise to the definition of fraud. You can call it fraud if you want, but it does not appear to be fraud when you take the emotion out. [/QUOTE]
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