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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kid Glock" data-source="post: 4371515" data-attributes="member: 189">I'm not an expert but will add my $.02, based on a question from a gun bud regarding this ad/post and my limited S&W experience.The .38-44 cartridge is nothing more than "hot or pre-+ P+, etc." .38 Special and not to be confused with .38-40 Winchester, a totally separate caliber.As previously mentioned in thread, the .38-44 is ballistically a sub- .357 mag.The Model 23 is a later produced model. IIRC, S&W assigned model numbers around 1957. The pre-M23, called the Outdoorsman, is an adjustable sight version of the S&W "Heavy Duty", an N frame in .38 Special caliber, which dates back to early mid-30's or pre- .357 mag days???An old saying- ".38 on a .44 frame", comes to mind, hence: Heavy Duty.ETA:A common modification to the old HD's and Outdoorsman was to ream the cylinder, allowing the app. 1/8" longer .357 mag case to be fired.</blockquote>