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Message: <blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 2701561" data-attributes="member: 15054">here is a picture of a target I shot at 213 yards Same brass and same load loaded and shot the same day within 5 minutes of each other.The catch, the only difference is the 2 separate groups were shot with different powder, same amount of powder though, Virgin Lapua brass 210m primers 155 a max Imr4064 and varget ,The varget speed was cronied at .2,766....2,783....2,788 fps 15 feet from the muzzle. 22fps spread 2.585 center to center group.The IMR4064. speed.2,795....2,804...2,841 I missed one reading as I was just chambering and shooting and looking at the target That is 47fps spread.But the grouping is tighter and the 4064 is 4 shot group .Yes I moved my scope up after I shot the varget load.So if relying on chrony data I would think the varget could make tighter groups.This is not the only time I have played the game of varget vs 4064, and I really want varget to win,, but it usually does not.Interesting to see the difference in velocity of the 2 powders  though.I was just trying to reach 2800fps with this 155 a max in my 21" or so barrel.I will go back out with once fired prepped brass and see if the groups change.Here is the target picture.[ATTACH]45558[/ATTACH]</blockquote>