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Message: <blockquote data-quote="OldArmy" data-source="post: 2498454" data-attributes="member: 33668">I shoot it from time to time, it's pricey so I just keep a few mags loaded from home/self defense. It's noticeably warmer than Winchester white box for sure! But it's not that big of a deal. They are great HP cartridges reliable massive expansion. I have shot both 230grain, and 200 grain +P. I have not seen much on the 200grain +p but a local hardware store sells it so I buy it sometimes. I have "heard" they don't expand as reliably, the HP cavity is different, it's slightly more narrow and comes in at the bottom forming an inverted cone..V shape. Where as the 230grain standard pressure bullet is just a huge deep ashtray of a hole. My guess is because of the higher MV of the 200grain +p they changed the bullet design, the normal 230grain bullet design maybe suffered some failure like jacket separation or something at that velocity? The thing I do like about the 200grain +p rounds, is that they are offering near off the shelf 10mm energy in a .45ACP. Speer claims 518ft/lb if I recall correctly, where the 230grain standard pressure is only rated 404ft/lb....Winchester white box 230grain FMJ is 356ft/lb for comparison.</blockquote>