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<blockquote data-quote="JesseR" data-source="post: 1990786" data-attributes="member: 5258"><p>Take your union pin out of your chest for a minute and lets walk down reason street....</p><p></p><p>Hostess makes a product that has fallen out of favor due to the fact it isn't healthy and America is FAT! Sales are falling and raw material costs are rising due to economic conditions. As a business owner you have several options, get your raw material costs down, increase your sales, or reduce your labor costs.</p><p></p><p>I don't know if you know anything about how a business actually operates, but under the chapter 11 Bankruptcy code, Hostess was trying to get their debt in line to give them a fighting chance to succeed in the current market place. On the subject of labor costs, they went to their labor pool and said we can't do this alone, we need your help. We need a company wide reduction in pay... "COMPANY WIDE". The bakers union was the only one to not agree to this! The general labor had accepted the reduction, but wouldn't cross the UNION picket line.</p><p></p><p>So as an employee, the labor pool could take a longterm 3% pay cut or a long term 100% pay cut!</p><p></p><p>It had nothing to do with outsourcing jobs. It had nothing to do with upper management wanting to get rich, it had nothing to do with them trying to screw the worker. They couldn't pay their bills! They couldn't pay their loans, their suppliers, or their labor. In Bankruptcy the only people to get paid are the guaranteed loans, everyone else gets portions of what is left over with the labor force getting the last of anything that might remain.</p><p></p><p>Now the Union bakers get NOTHING and the 13,500 other people also get nothing. The company is gone, and the public can't get the product that want.</p><p></p><p>Do you follow? 5000 people in one company killed it. Not outsourcing or their greed. As a business owner, I would do everything possible to keep a union away from my business, including shutting it down! Unions are like cancer, they kill the host!</p><p></p><p>I care about sending jobs somewhere else, but that is not the issue here. The only reason production is moving to Mexico is because another bakery will buy the rights to the product line and move it to their bakeries out of the country. All could have been adverted if it wasn't for the UNION. </p><p></p><p>If you want to learn what is happening, read Bloomberg, Google Finance, Yahoo Finance... Read what Job creators are doing, not what labor bosses tell you...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JesseR, post: 1990786, member: 5258"] Take your union pin out of your chest for a minute and lets walk down reason street.... Hostess makes a product that has fallen out of favor due to the fact it isn't healthy and America is FAT! Sales are falling and raw material costs are rising due to economic conditions. As a business owner you have several options, get your raw material costs down, increase your sales, or reduce your labor costs. I don't know if you know anything about how a business actually operates, but under the chapter 11 Bankruptcy code, Hostess was trying to get their debt in line to give them a fighting chance to succeed in the current market place. On the subject of labor costs, they went to their labor pool and said we can't do this alone, we need your help. We need a company wide reduction in pay... "COMPANY WIDE". The bakers union was the only one to not agree to this! The general labor had accepted the reduction, but wouldn't cross the UNION picket line. So as an employee, the labor pool could take a longterm 3% pay cut or a long term 100% pay cut! It had nothing to do with outsourcing jobs. It had nothing to do with upper management wanting to get rich, it had nothing to do with them trying to screw the worker. They couldn't pay their bills! They couldn't pay their loans, their suppliers, or their labor. In Bankruptcy the only people to get paid are the guaranteed loans, everyone else gets portions of what is left over with the labor force getting the last of anything that might remain. Now the Union bakers get NOTHING and the 13,500 other people also get nothing. The company is gone, and the public can't get the product that want. Do you follow? 5000 people in one company killed it. Not outsourcing or their greed. As a business owner, I would do everything possible to keep a union away from my business, including shutting it down! Unions are like cancer, they kill the host! I care about sending jobs somewhere else, but that is not the issue here. The only reason production is moving to Mexico is because another bakery will buy the rights to the product line and move it to their bakeries out of the country. All could have been adverted if it wasn't for the UNION. If you want to learn what is happening, read Bloomberg, Google Finance, Yahoo Finance... Read what Job creators are doing, not what labor bosses tell you... [/QUOTE]
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