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Message: <blockquote data-quote="henschman" data-source="post: 2033289" data-attributes="member: 4235"><p>Comparing gun control and gun death is disingenuous.  One of the big arguments of pro-gun people has always been that if criminals cant get guns, they will commit crimes with other weapons, and that it just keeps their victims from protecting themselves.  The overall murder rate, or violent crime rate, makes a lot more sense.  But those stats don't cast the major urban centers with heavy gun regulations in nearly so positive a light.</p></blockquote><p></p>