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Message: <blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 4321880" data-attributes="member: 15054">Grandpa's auto 5 12 gauge would hold a tight pattern way out there and only a 28" barrel.I let a quail get 40 yards out and turned it to dust.Could be the wads or load in those #5 purple/blue  hulls.Could be the thousands of rounds shot through it and the paper thin muzzle allowed super tight patterns.I think there is some science to the chamber taper that allows tighter patterns.Can you shoot those black head buzzards with a rifle?</blockquote>