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<blockquote data-quote="Rez Exelon" data-source="post: 3534526" data-attributes="member: 5800"><p>I've seen mixed numbers but generally speaking, the numbers have said around 20-25 million Americans (<strong>Americans)</strong> would benefit from the wage increase. Factoring in inflation that doesn't even keep pace with a lot of the GOP folks that have come out against it because "I shoveled poo for a dollar fifty an hour when I was a kid". As a side note, the numbers show that only about 25% of people making minimum are in teeny bopper demographic. A majority are in the 24-50 year old range. So yeah, I do think we're screwing Americans in that we haven't kept minimum up with inflation. Campaign contribution limits have kept pace with it, why wouldn't wages.... that ought to say something right there. </p><p></p><p>If we really believed that anyone who puts forth effort can earn a living, then the irony is that all the illegals people talk about are doing that. They are putting forth the effort, when Americans are sitting around on unemployment not wanting to go out into the fields and pick crops, or any of the other jobs that typically hire undocumented labor. </p><p></p><p>I'll go down this road like I always do --- do you have any proof to support your claim that undocumented persons are voting? Personally I haven't seen it and feel like it'd be more of a national story if that was happening at scale. </p><p></p><p>Again, the easiest possible way to curb people coming here, is not to subject them to inhumane conditions, treatment, etc. The easiest way it to dry up the ability to work illegally. That would involve a lot of enforcement though --- including on large companies that tend to donate to political candidates. What I've seen in the past is that small businesses when caught generally get penalties that could be considered catastrophic. Compare that to a company like Tyson, who will absorb it and not change their behavior. Until the large companies are penalized enough to stop the practice, then there will always be a supply of labor for them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rez Exelon, post: 3534526, member: 5800"] I've seen mixed numbers but generally speaking, the numbers have said around 20-25 million Americans ([B]Americans)[/B] would benefit from the wage increase. Factoring in inflation that doesn't even keep pace with a lot of the GOP folks that have come out against it because "I shoveled poo for a dollar fifty an hour when I was a kid". As a side note, the numbers show that only about 25% of people making minimum are in teeny bopper demographic. A majority are in the 24-50 year old range. So yeah, I do think we're screwing Americans in that we haven't kept minimum up with inflation. Campaign contribution limits have kept pace with it, why wouldn't wages.... that ought to say something right there. If we really believed that anyone who puts forth effort can earn a living, then the irony is that all the illegals people talk about are doing that. They are putting forth the effort, when Americans are sitting around on unemployment not wanting to go out into the fields and pick crops, or any of the other jobs that typically hire undocumented labor. I'll go down this road like I always do --- do you have any proof to support your claim that undocumented persons are voting? Personally I haven't seen it and feel like it'd be more of a national story if that was happening at scale. Again, the easiest possible way to curb people coming here, is not to subject them to inhumane conditions, treatment, etc. The easiest way it to dry up the ability to work illegally. That would involve a lot of enforcement though --- including on large companies that tend to donate to political candidates. What I've seen in the past is that small businesses when caught generally get penalties that could be considered catastrophic. Compare that to a company like Tyson, who will absorb it and not change their behavior. Until the large companies are penalized enough to stop the practice, then there will always be a supply of labor for them. [/QUOTE]
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